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Explains it all. You can have an 11 second 1/4 mile time. With all that money in the engine, you could've kept the engine a rotary, and had 10's. Jackass.

11second AUTOMATIC first gen made to go in a straight line





nice..?

You stole my line. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png

hey def. automatics are actually faster on v8's. you will hardley ever see a stick shift drag car. all are automatics with shift kits.

I sure did. Haha. Sucka'.



I forgot it said Automatic too.



Venom, are you referring to the clutchless manual transmissions like what they have in the pro drag cars.

Yeah, autos take advantage of all dat torque dey be running eh.



however, there's still the lame factor https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

I don't like driving automatics now. I like automatics during traffic and whatnot, but for going to the store, I like manual. All our cars are auto's except for my 7. I have gotten use to driving stick so much, I am jamming my left foot in driving my pops volvo looking for the clutch and try to shift. Dammit.



And for some odd reason, I always get in an arguement with people at work and they claim that an automatic is faster than a stick. How the ****? You can't even get close to redline in an auto like you can with stick. Idiots man. And they constantly bad mouth my car, and these guys own corvettes and they say they can smoke my rotary ass. I sure as ******* would hope that a corvette can smoke me. ******' morons. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif

stickermobile

go find a good 8 second to 10 second comaro or mustang or somthing similar to that. I'd bet its running an automatic. in older cars like that, and even in newer drag cars (not like funy cars or anything) automatics are faster. the only reason that our automatics are slower is because they are not upgradeable.



One of the fastest cars I have ever seen was running a 6 speed corvette tranny for a while, he then switched to a 700-r4 automatic with a b&m shift kit and dropped .5 seconds off of his 1/4. no other changes. just the tranny.



the tranny's like that are incredible, either a ford c4/c6 or a chevy 200-r4 or 700-r4. install a b&m shift kit and go. or if you really want to dig in, put a manual shift kit in, and then get a ratchet shifter, but that is just a pain in the ass on the street.

it's a purpose built drag car.........why all the hate?



so what if it has a 350 in it, better than seeing it in a junk yard.

thank you russell. Ilike fast cars too. period. no matter what they are.

v8 rocks....im gonna throw a v8 in my 91 rx7 vert!!

I concur, it may have the heart of a rotary again one day

Yeah, and a purposely build drag car=trailer bitch.



That FB needs a Peri-Ported 13b thrown in there. Then it would be bitchin' and be a real drag car. And can be driven on the street.

haha, you are ******* retarded if you think a p port would be more driveable than a relatively tame 350.



he built the car to run in a specific class, which is why it only runs 11.90's.



have you ever been involved in any kind of real drag racing? like an nhra or ihra series, with rules and restrictions?

peri port on the street?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAAAAAA



lmfao



in your dreams. a large bridge port is almost unstreetable, much less a peri.



a peri port makes like 0 torque untill about 3000+ rpm



try driving that. you would burn clutches and tires like butter.

two words: jesus padilla



350 what?

hahaha.. true 10's on a n/a rotary aint worth fightin.



but!! I've seen v8s that would whoop ass on padilla. hate to say it, but I seen em.

one word: money



to be a weekend drag racer with a regular 9-5 job, you can't afford a whole lot. you build a car with a specific class in mind.



the way my car is built right now, i would be in the same class as cars that run in the single digits on street tires. i built my car to enjoy on the street, not to be a competitive drag racer.



my brother is a pro-am racer in the ihra. his car is a "trailer bitch", and it's a national record holder. you are a ******* moron if you think a car is worthless because it isn't street driven. (directed at rowtareh?)



with the IHRA or NHRA rulebook setup the way it is, the only way to be competitive is with a domestic.

Thanks, come again. One example for you.



http://www.vintagerotaries.com/FORUM...opic.php?t=284

I think it is 360+. Ito has posted it many a times on here and on vintagerotaries.com



And I think he can drive it on the street also.

And these V8's are all motor correct? With no NOS, Turbo, Supercharger?

yes all motor. no not street driven and neither is padillas.



the two i'm thinking of right now are running a serious port on the heads, with farkin huge valves and almost 15:1 compression. the one I know the most about runs speral flow mufflers for back pressure. the car is a 89 comaro. many body mods. rear end is for 9" with moser axels and 4:11 gears.



it pickes the front wheels off the ground. no nos, no forced induction. not even ram air.

fyi jesus is in the 9's now. 9.92 orsomething. And his car pics the front tires off the ground. And his car still weights 2100 lbs so you can't say it's all power to weight. Because most drag cars in the 9's are tube frame.



I would hope that more than 3 times the displacement would be able to make more power.

I would hope you wouldn't compare displacement from a piston engine to a rotary...using that logic Honda sucks at hp/liter too..



hp/pound is all that matters.

in ls1tech they have a couple of 3200 pound, optioned, t-top having 9 second all motor cars. those are F_BODIES.



take 500 lbs off that and wonder what you run.



ls1 rx-7s (FC) have gone low low 12s second runs without engine modifications, just some drag radials. And they have hit 9s with the STOCK FC rear end too.



9 second cars..., without forced induction passing emissions while gettin 19mpg on the highway.



the TITAN supra uses a CHEVY th-400 automatic..the same that came STANDARD in Chevelles and the like. that settles it for autos.



they have 10 second stock internal cars WITH A RACEWEIGHT OF 3400lbs. put a 2800lb car there and...

how do you know how much money he put into it?

not to start an arguement or anything, but the v8 is pretty much stock. a stock engine is much more reliable than a modified engine. a modified 1 rotor would be a lot less reliable than the v8 in that car. So I still don't see how it would cost less?



but in the end...to each his own

well then why do you think the rotary is label as such an effecient engine?? Not gas wise but powerwise. The same reason that adding a turbo adds effeciency. More power less displacement.



Using your typical math, losing 100 lbs will remove a tenth from your quarter.



500 lbs = half second



If you use that calculation (which many people do) you could add 1000 lbs to jesus's car and it'd still be a 10 second car.



I don't see what your arguing anyways? Are you trying to say that rotaries can't make power?



Do the math, a 4 rotor motor would make more power than a 2 rotor motor. So why do you argue that a v8 shouldn't make more power than a rotary.



And who mentioned reliability? This is drag racing, some of these people rebuild their motor after 4 pulls. Top fuel cars install a new clutch and hard telling what else every single pass. Drag racing isn't a reliability sport.

when it comes to making a power a 350 chevy is much better than a rotary.



endo of story.



if you spend 3k on a 350 and 3k on a 13b which one is going to be more powerful? the 350. by FAR.



for a weekend racer the v8 setup is much better because it will go many more runs than a rotary with the same power. there are assloads of v8's that run 400+ hp on pump gas, and many that are daily driven, and go 100k miles before rebuild. try that with your 13b.



not that I don't like the rotary, but if I was a drag racing fanatic on a budget, v8 is the way I would go to. but I'm not a drag racer, I like my rotary, so I'm gonna stick with it. but in my 65 mustang, the 302 that I'm dropping in is going to make more power and more torque than my rotary, and do it much more reliably.

we should file this in the "beat to death" folder

lol.....

that is your opinion

You also have to consider how many companies out there make performance parts for Rotaries and then for Piston powered cars.



I don't have an exact count for them, but the percentage would be frigggggin huge.



And also how hard it is to get a new rotary engine compared to a 350 block. Call your local Mazda dealer and see how long it would take for a block to come in, then call your local Chevy dealer and see how long for a block to come in.



Also, for drag wise and such, all the "rednecks" who do this type of thing on the side, don't know the rotary engine as much as they do a piston engine. They grew up on the piston engine, and never really experienced how much potential and horsepower can go into a rotary. It is a give and take on this subject.



But still, you should never gut a an RX-7 or anything previous of the 7 with a V8 when you can keep it rotary and put in a 20b.

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And I did not really think this thread would go up to this matter, just discuss that it is an AUTOMATIC drag car, which is something I myself have never even seen. All the drag cars at Buds Creek(or MIR) most of them are stick, fully tubbed racers. There are some 5.0 80's Mustangs that run 11's and they are driving these monsters on the street.



I respect the **** out of the piston engine, but I like the rotary any day of the week.

no sorry, that is a prooven fact.



there are sbc's making thousands of hp. go find ame a rotary that does that. oh, wait, there isn't one. sorry.

its not all about the hp numbers, watch jesus spank an 800hp supra with a 400hp 7.PERIOD as for drag cars with autos, makes sense to me. i see this all the time

powerglide auto is killer for drag cars

my statement was "a 350 chevy is better for making power than a rotary" and they are.



and there are many v8 cars that would spank the **** out of padilla. they just don't get put in the same class.

omfg. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

don't spew your **** as the gospel. You might like the v8 better, but that doesn't mean that it's better for everyone.



There's rotaries making over 1000 hp. 3 rotor's making 1500 hp. you can keep going from there. You want to compare displacement vs displacement just keep adding rotors.



I'm not trying to change your opinion, obviously your not going to change your mind. All I'm saying is, what you think, is your opinion. Other people have a right to have their own, whether you think it's right or not.



I know I'm right so you can stop argueing. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif



ps oh yeah there is an industral rotary making 6000 hp I have the link somewhere.

ok. im not arguing an opinion, i do like the rotary better. but... IN A CAR there are no rotaries making anywhere near the power that many v8s put out. there just arent.



I know when it comes to going fast power isn't everything, and I never said it was, you are changing the subject. I sed a 350 is better for making power, not going fast.



and still, if you wanna get up in piston engines, how many rotaries do you see running with funny cars? none. what about top fuel? none



there arent any rotaries making that kind of power where v8s are.



and in this, I know that I am right, so quit changing the ******* subject and admit it.