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Old 04-04-2009, 01:58 AM
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How about these guys, only 101 billion to take care of all their debt. Next month will be the same until demand once again exceeds supply. If you bail these guys out, you'll most likely put his competitor out of business, then you bail him out and the snowball starts to get bigger and bigger because as long as you prop these companies up, supply will continue to exceed demand, especially now that the free flowing credit for people to buy things they can't afford is gone.



Could it be possible that GM's financial woes are simply a matter of them producing a product no one can afford? Even freed from their union and pension obligations they would still have to compete in a market where there are way more cars then buyers.



April 3 (Bloomberg) -- Bankruptcy filings by larger companies liquidating or reorganizing in Chapter 11 in the first quarter rose 78 percent from the same period a year earlier and almost tripled from 2007 as the U.S. was mired in the 15th month of a recession.



Almost 131,000 bankruptcies of all types were filed in March, the most for any month since 2005, when Congress erected barriers to individuals looking to rid themselves of debt.



Filings increased 9.2 percent in March over February, according to data compiled by Automated Access to Court Electronic Records, a service of Jupiter ESources LLC in Oklahoma City. March bankruptcies rose 38 percent from a year earlier and 79 percent from 2007.



The surge of filings in March “suggest that earlier estimates of 1.4 million to 1.5 million cases in 2009 should be revised to somewhere in the 1.5 million to 1.6 million range,” said Mike Bickford, president of AACER, a bankruptcy data and management service. If Bickford’s high estimate proves correct, 2009 filings would exceed 2008 by about 45 percent.



Public companies filing for bankruptcy or reorganization through March 31 had a combined $101 billion in debt, according to a report earlier this week by Bankruptcydata.com. That’s almost ninefold higher than the $11.7 billion in the same period last year.



The spike in bankruptcy filings comes as unemployment jumped in March to the highest level since 1983. In the month, 663,000 Americans lost their jobs, bringing the jobless rate to 8.5 percent.
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Well tyson, while I find your comments regarding the constitution unforgivable I can honestly say I get your point of view, while I don't agree with any of the bailouts, if we're going to bail out the state retirees with taxes the why the **** not GM? I read this and I can't help but see your point. Am I hopping in your shoes here? LOL I guess no one can claim I only post articles favoring my view now???? How are these retirement funds that taxpayers are obviously "responsible" for allowed to gamble that much of their funds in a junk market? Where's the oversight on these programs, it's one thing when I private retirement fund like GM goes broke, but when I'm ultimately responsible for the losses on these mismanaged state retirement funds I want an explanation!



$1T hit to pensions could cost taxpayers, workers

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SANTA FE, New Mexico — Massive investment losses sustained by public pension funds are pressuring state lawmakers from New Mexico to New York to spend more taxpayer money to shore up their programs, boost the retirement age for newly hired government workers and seek more from employee paychecks.



Pensions need $270 billion in additional contributions over the next four years, and more than $100 billion annually for two decades hence, according to the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College.



The pension trouble is just one more economic challenge for states. Income and sales tax collections are dropping fast as unemployment rises. Jobless benefits funds are running dry, requiring federal borrowing. And because of substantial budget holes, states are cutting back on a wide range of services, including child care subsidies for low-income families and aid to public schools, and in some cases laying off workers.



But as bad as the budget picture looks, it is dwarfed by the size of the gaps in states' pensions, which have collectively lost at least $1 trillion as financial markets swooned over the past year. Public pensions cover about 14 million state and local employees and paid out almost $163 billion to seven million retirees in 2006-2007, according to the Census Bureau.



Because pensions involve long-term obligations and investments, there's no immediate risk that states will be unable to pay retiree benefits. But replenishing pensions could squeeze states for years to come, forcing lawmakers and governors to juggle their spending priorities — pitting pensions against schools, colleges, health care, prisons and other government services.



"What you hear concern about out there right now is, 'We the taxpayers are going to be stuck with a bill paying for public pensions. And we don't want taxes raised to pay for public pensions.' And that is understandable," says Mike Burnside, executive director of the Kentucky Retirement Systems.



Pensions covering state and local workers, police and teachers in Kentucky have unfunded liabilities of $27 billion. In response, lawmakers agreed last year to increase taxpayer funding and change eligibility for newly hired employees. But budget problems, Burnside said, could undermine the state's ability to boost pension funding.


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my taxpayer anus hurts.
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Bottom line: Blame Nixon.
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Coming to a wallet near you.



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Cause 250 000 000 is the cost of milk!
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went to audi and infinity today, looks like infinity is the next vehicle for her.

Came home from my mother in laws and the low oil light came on the lexus! pissing oil out the bottom of the car, maybe from the timing chain cover but its hard to see behind all the plastics.



Ironically when I was stopped at a gas station to throw some oil in the car to make it a few more blocks to my shop a old *** suburban pulled next to me, I could not help but think how the suburban dude was chuckling at the lexus owner putting 3 quarts of oil into his car, lol
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='919911' date='Apr 5 2009, 10:34 PM
went to audi and infinity today, looks like infinity is the next vehicle for her.

Came home from my mother in laws and the low oil light came on the lexus! pissing oil out the bottom of the car, maybe from the timing chain cover but its hard to see behind all the plastics.



Ironically when I was stopped at a gas station to throw some oil in the car to make it a few more blocks to my shop a old *** suburban pulled next to me, I could not help but think how the suburban dude was chuckling at the lexus owner putting 3 quarts of oil into his car, lol


If it makes you feel any better i don't know any suburban owner that hasn't been through a couple transmissions.
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i thought it was funny because it reminded me of my old jeep, putting a quart of oil in at the gas station was a normal event, but here is the guy in his lexus with the 3 quarts of 5w-30 they had at the place dumping into his jap **** pail, lol.
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='919913' date='Apr 5 2009, 10:49 PM
i thought it was funny because it reminded me of my old jeep, putting a quart of oil in at the gas station was a normal event, but here is the guy in his lexus with the 3 quarts of 5w-30 they had at the place dumping into his jap **** pail, lol.


yea I had a Buick Regal like that, 3.8 aluminum block v6 getting that thing to seal on any surface was near impossible for whatever reason. It ate oil, it leaked it and I don't know what it did with the rest. My Jeeps were all pretty good on oil, but they were I6's and the engines were near bulletproof.
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