they claim that they're not trying to be sneaky. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif



I know Crown Vics are dead-giveaways for cops, but all taxis and many state vehicles are crown vics around here. Plus it's florida, so there's lots of old people in crown vics. Time to start driving slower https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png .

yeah they have these low profile light bars here, the funny part is you can even see that they are on



mike

in NJ here they also have the low profile light bar on the back of the car. Then for the front, they put strobes into the rear view mirrors and under the center mirror in the cabin.



sneaky sneaky - but none of those things can get rid of the smell of bacon.

A lot of police cars around here don't have a light bar at all.

hardly any of our highway patrols have lightbars, and they're all camaros now. Our local cops are gonna have lights on the dash and grill, if I'm not mistaken.

Personally I think the unmarkeds defeat the purpose of what law enforcment should be all about... safety. there is more safety in presence for one and second, if you are in need of help you could walk or drive right by several unmarked cars, that ain't right.

Don't take that protect and serve stuff too seriously. They should change it to "To hide, deceive, and catch."

"Hide, decieve and entrap"

Make up some stickers that say that and we'll put them on cop cars.



My friend Carl and two of his friends did that...they completely marked an unmarked car. Maybe I should buy a sticker plotter of my own...lol.

I think it's a good idea for traffic cops, like for catching speeders and what-not. But I'm sure there will always be clearly marked vehicles at large gatherings and such, as their presence mantains peace.

I don't understand how an unmarked car can benefit anyone.



I think we are getting off track EVERYTIME the state or county wants more funding, they say it is due to reponse time to incidents and understaffed police dept. Tell me how unmarked helps those factors? You can't because it doesn't, it hinders them. Half the time I see the cop car before I hear it and pull over, that is not possible with unmarked.

A cop followed me for quite a while one time because I didn't realize his lights were on. He only had 2 lights, one white, one red, side by side on the dash, about 3 " across each.



It was night, so I thought the flashes were street lights reflecting off his wind shield. Since I didn't increase my speed or look like I tried to get away, he didn't even say anything about not stopping. Didn't give me a ticket either, mostly because he didn't take his eyes off my passenger's legs https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



I agree on the visibility part. At least in the city, make them more of a visual deterent. We have "ghost" cars around here, where the decals are very similar in colour to the car. Say flat black decals on a navy blue car. While this makes it easier for them to catch street crime in the act, it really is for traffic stop purposes, of course. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/angry.png



On the highway, I wish they looked like any other car, and actually patrolled, as opposed to camping out on the side of the road. Speeders are a lot less dangerous than illegal lane changes and careless driving, and you can't bust those people while parked on the shoulder.

oh, forgot to mention, I heard an the radio that Tallahassee is 2nd in the nation for alcohol related traffic fatalities, or alcohol related accidents, or something like that. Also, FSU is one of the nation's top party schools, and underage drinking was soaring, with alcohol poisoning deaths, and date-rapes, before undercover stings started happening, to stop underage drinking.



As a whole, unmarked cars might not be good. For our area and situations, I don't mind having them around.

I think Florida actually had a program for catching "aggressive" drivers. I'm just not sure how they implemented it https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif .

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png BTW, the Camaro cruisers with a light bar make me laugh. Any speed gained by using that car goes down the toilet the minute you strap that thing on. How ridiculous https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/wacko.png



Hey, what will they use instead of the Camaro? Mustangs are so slow an RSX can probably leave them in the dust, top speed wise. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



If I see even 1 Monte Carlo done up like a highway patrol car I'll probably cause an accident from laughing too hard. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

oh, forgot to mention, I heard an the radio that Tallahassee is 2nd in the nation for alcohol related traffic fatalities, or alcohol related accidents, or something like that. Also, FSU is one of the nation's top party schools, and underage drinking was soaring, with alcohol poisoning deaths, and date-rapes, before undercover stings started happening, to stop underage drinking.



As a whole, unmarked cars might not be good. For our area and situations, I don't mind having them around. [/quote]

How does an unmarked help any of that? I would think the increased visibility. Also you need to keep in mind who feeds yout he statistics on this BS, do you honestly believe that undercover stings have put a stop to underage drinking LOL



They are just doing it somewhere else and trust, if you ever taken a statistics class in college you know what I am talking about, statistics are a joke.



That's putting a cop on a road for a week to give out tickets, then pulling him and claiming there is NO more speeding LOL

"aggresive" drivers translates to "speeding" in a cops head.



BTW, my buddy told me about an autocross somewhere in the States where somebody crashed and they called out the fire department and police. Before they left the a couple of cruisers ran the course, as well as a fire truck. Wanna guess who won? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

oh, forgot to mention, I heard an the radio that Tallahassee is 2nd in the nation for alcohol related traffic fatalities, or alcohol related accidents, or something like that. Also, FSU is one of the nation's top party schools, and underage drinking was soaring, with alcohol poisoning deaths, and date-rapes, before undercover stings started happening, to stop underage drinking.



As a whole, unmarked cars might not be good. For our area and situations, I don't mind having them around. [/quote]

How does an unmarked help any of that? I would think the increased visibility. Also you need to keep in mind who feeds yout he statistics on this BS, do you honestly believe that undercover stings have put a stop to underage drinking LOL



They are just doing it somewhere else and trust, if you ever taken a statistics class in college you know what I am talking about, statistics are a joke.



That's putting a cop on a road for a week to give out tickets, then pulling him and claiming there is NO more speeding LOL [/quote]

well, if we're going on the premise that we can't trust one thing we read, or anything in the press, or the fatality reports put out by the DOT, or any law enforcement statistics, then whey bother arguing about any issues? You can just say nothing is true, it's all BS, and all societal issures are irrelevant. Sure would make my life a lot easier. For all I know, 90% of the cars on the road are government and law enforcement watching my every move, and the few marked cars are there just to distract my attention. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/dunno.gif

I honestly don't see how there should be much debate on this issue, it's not a discussion of entrapment or anything else.



i'd like to see ONE instance where an unmarked, got to the scene of a crime faster due to being unmarked, or where a victim was being chased by his/her assailent and the unmarked was more visible and the person sought help sooner. It doesn't happen.



A sting and an unmarked car are two totally different things, I don't even want to get into stings.



You can't make the claim that an unmarked has disabled a crime in progress that a marked would not have been able to, the reality is, the crime more then likely would not have happened in the first place if a marked unit were there and ifit did the marked would have had the same result as the unmarked, stopping the crime in progess and catching the criminal.

oh, forgot to mention, I heard an the radio that Tallahassee is 2nd in the nation for alcohol related traffic fatalities, or alcohol related accidents, or something like that. Also, FSU is one of the nation's top party schools, and underage drinking was soaring, with alcohol poisoning deaths, and date-rapes, before undercover stings started happening, to stop underage drinking.



As a whole, unmarked cars might not be good. For our area and situations, I don't mind having them around. [/quote]

How does an unmarked help any of that? I would think the increased visibility. Also you need to keep in mind who feeds yout he statistics on this BS, do you honestly believe that undercover stings have put a stop to underage drinking LOL



They are just doing it somewhere else and trust, if you ever taken a statistics class in college you know what I am talking about, statistics are a joke.



That's putting a cop on a road for a week to give out tickets, then pulling him and claiming there is NO more speeding LOL [/quote]

well, if we're going on the premise that we can't trust one thing we read, or anything in the press, or the fatality reports put out by the DOT, or any law enforcement statistics, then whey bother arguing about any issues? You can just say nothing is true, it's all BS, and all societal issures are irrelevant. Sure would make my life a lot easier. For all I know, 90% of the cars on the road are government and law enforcement watching my every move, and the few marked cars are there just to distract my attention. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/dunno.gif [/quote]

I didn't say you can't trust ANYTHING you read, that would blowing what I said out of proportion. What I said was ANYTIME a statistic is quoted, consider the source. I am ONLY talking about statistics, ask questions, what were the demographic, has alcohol sales decreased in the area since NO one underage isn't drinking. What is the exteneded effort, are they still monitoring the area, what factors are they monitoring, who collected the data.



I question ANY statistic and usually when you read how the study was conducted you see how much of a joke they are. Take a statistics class I think you will be surprised at what you learn.



How do you choose if you believe EVERY statistic writeen like you are suggesting you do. I can find a study or report contradicting pretty much every study or report ever conducted of any impact.

yeah, me neither. I'm just trying to kill time till 5. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif I actually hate debating, I usually end up saying, "yeah, I see your point," and walk away confused.

oh, forgot to mention, I heard an the radio that Tallahassee is 2nd in the nation for alcohol related traffic fatalities, or alcohol related accidents, or something like that. Also, FSU is one of the nation's top party schools, and underage drinking was soaring, with alcohol poisoning deaths, and date-rapes, before undercover stings started happening, to stop underage drinking.



As a whole, unmarked cars might not be good. For our area and situations, I don't mind having them around. [/quote]

How does an unmarked help any of that? I would think the increased visibility. Also you need to keep in mind who feeds yout he statistics on this BS, do you honestly believe that undercover stings have put a stop to underage drinking LOL



They are just doing it somewhere else and trust, if you ever taken a statistics class in college you know what I am talking about, statistics are a joke.



That's putting a cop on a road for a week to give out tickets, then pulling him and claiming there is NO more speeding LOL [/quote]

well, if we're going on the premise that we can't trust one thing we read, or anything in the press, or the fatality reports put out by the DOT, or any law enforcement statistics, then whey bother arguing about any issues? You can just say nothing is true, it's all BS, and all societal issures are irrelevant. Sure would make my life a lot easier. For all I know, 90% of the cars on the road are government and law enforcement watching my every move, and the few marked cars are there just to distract my attention. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/dunno.gif [/quote]

I didn't say you can't trust ANYTHING you read, that would blowing what I said out of proportion. What I said was ANYTIME a statistic is quoted, consider the source. I am ONLY talking about statistics, ask questions, what were the demographic, has alcohol sales decreased in the area since NO one underage isn't drinking. What is the exteneded effort, are they still monitoring the area, what factors are they monitoring, who collected the data.



I question ANY statistic and usually when you read how the study was conducted you see how much of a joke they are. Take a statistics class I think you will be surprised at what you learn.



How do you choose if you believe EVERY statistic writeen like you are suggesting you do. I can find a study or report contradicting pretty much every study or report ever conducted of any impact. [/quote]

Marijuana is a good example of how statistics are used by two different parties to give very different results.

Take any statistic, you can weight a statistic any way you want. It can be waited very easily by your demographic.



Say I want to do a study on cigar smoking, should it be allowed in public restaraunts and I walk into the local cigar hangouts and I pull 500 people. What do you think that stat would be like compared to if I went to the local smoothy shop and polled the tree hugging hippies?



That's the simplest way to "weight" the statistic, there are even more complex methods.



My example earlier of the cop giving tickets on a given road one week and the next week not patrolling the road at all. "statistically" the previous week there were 400 people speeding, this is proven by the 400 tickets that were issued and "statistically" the following week no one was speeding, this can be proven by the fact that no tickets were issued. No from that we derive the conclusion that issuing trafic tickets STOPS speeding all together.



That is VERY similar to the method used in your unmarked "sting" operation previously, is it not?

Tyson,



when i was in Toronto a few years back they showed on tv how the police had set up some vans parked on the side of the 401 highway (looking broke down i guess) with speed measuring/photo equipment in the back. was that successful or did they trash that? (or am i thinking of another country)

I am sure the police department if you call them will be more then willing to explain to you the successes of that project and if they cancelled it, it was due to lack of funding, not because it didn't work.

oink

**** the toll police here drive mustangs, camaros, any type of suv.



and try to race you to see if you will do it



**** they make enough money to buy all thses unmarked cars but cant fix the 4 foot pot hole



my friend is a maryland transit policeman and he told me that there is a new law that allows them to do random searchs on vehicle.



so if a cop pulls you over and asked to search your car and you say no. then that gives them probable cause to search your car https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif



and if you ask y they say random search?



i told him that i would never let them search my car and he said i would be arrested and my car impounded.



he told me that they arrested and charged someone for haveing a open beer in the trunk. even though it was 2 days old.



i just think there forget the reason behind law enforcement.

To sever and preserve!!!

I am sure the police department if you call them will be more then willing to explain to you the successes of that project and if they cancelled it, it was due to lack of funding, not because it didn't work. [/quote]

It worked, they cancelled it for political reasons.



The Conservative party used it as a campaign promise that they would eliminate it if elected. They also promised to raise the speed limit, but that didn't happen. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/angry.png

i have seen an impala done up like one....

i have also seen an evoVI with a cop car setup (in a photo)

I've seen a Taurus with a light bar. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

I've seen a Dodge Shadow with a light bar...but it was just the meter maid...I mean parking specialist.

They are so loved in Toronto they wear Kevlar. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif



And I think they get a total of 60 shootings a year with 5 million people.

OMFG...

Is the a bug-deflector?

oh, forgot to mention, I heard an the radio that Tallahassee is 2nd in the nation for alcohol related traffic fatalities, or alcohol related accidents, or something like that. Also, FSU is one of the nation's top party schools, and underage drinking was soaring, with alcohol poisoning deaths, and date-rapes, before undercover stings started happening, to stop underage drinking.



As a whole, unmarked cars might not be good. For our area and situations, I don't mind having them around. [/quote]

How does an unmarked help any of that? I would think the increased visibility. Also you need to keep in mind who feeds yout he statistics on this BS, do you honestly believe that undercover stings have put a stop to underage drinking LOL



They are just doing it somewhere else and trust, if you ever taken a statistics class in college you know what I am talking about, statistics are a joke.



That's putting a cop on a road for a week to give out tickets, then pulling him and claiming there is NO more speeding LOL [/quote]

Might as well just make all cop cars unmarked. And instead of officers in uniform just make all cops undercovers.

quite old, I must say

In our city, there are so many unmarked squads that are not crown vics or impala. I've seen unmarked sables, chevy malibus and even many SUVS. I was chased a month ago by some crack head with a gun, if that cop wasn't marked, I could have been dead.

one time i was driving home from traffic court on the highway, i came up on a chevy lumina with one of those old people carts on the back. i saw the driver pointing a laser speed moniter at cars coming past. i guess he was radioeing which cars were speeding to other units. craziest thing i've ever seen as far as cop cars go.



Loi