So I take a look at the front page of today's paper (THR)...
09-28-2005, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='763607' date='Sep 27 2005, 09:04 PM
please do tell us again how you plan on ruling the world, it was something with maps right?
And for your info, I hire PLENTY of college guys, some had jobs for 15 years before they got laid off and I hire them to sweep up after me.
I can see it now:
Rob: Hey bitch i didnt feel like using the toilet so i **** in the corner, go clean that up little bitch. Oh and get your white fd out of the good parking spots, that ***** reserved.
kevin.
09-28-2005, 09:23 AM
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FWIW: I have a friend who has his masters (8 year degree, err whatnot) in engineering and he's unemployed at the moment, and had very low paying entry level jobs.
It's kind of a catch22, to some degree, they want you to have experience yet you need to get hired by SOMEBODY to get experience in the first place. Kind of like establishing credit too, nobody would let me take out a store card because I had no credit, but that's exactly why I wanted to take one out, but eventually I got one and a regular Credit card.
I believe a large part of career involvement is who you know. A majority of people I know get their "Sweet hookups" from people like Pedro's cousins. You ask em how they got their kickass job and it's always "I knew the business owner's daughters boyfriend"
It's kind of a catch22, to some degree, they want you to have experience yet you need to get hired by SOMEBODY to get experience in the first place. Kind of like establishing credit too, nobody would let me take out a store card because I had no credit, but that's exactly why I wanted to take one out, but eventually I got one and a regular Credit card.
I believe a large part of career involvement is who you know. A majority of people I know get their "Sweet hookups" from people like Pedro's cousins. You ask em how they got their kickass job and it's always "I knew the business owner's daughters boyfriend"
09-28-2005, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PhoenixDownVII' post='763811' date='Sep 28 2005, 10:23 AM
FWIW: I have a friend who has his masters (8 year degree, err whatnot) in engineering and he's unemployed at the moment, and had very low paying entry level jobs.
It's kind of a catch22, to some degree, they want you to have experience yet you need to get hired by SOMEBODY to get experience in the first place. Kind of like establishing credit too, nobody would let me take out a store card because I had no credit, but that's exactly why I wanted to take one out, but eventually I got one and a regular Credit card.
I believe a large part of career involvement is who you know. A majority of people I know get their "Sweet hookups" from people like Pedro's cousins. You ask em how they got their kickass job and it's always "I knew the business owner's daughters boyfriend"
Exactly my point. There are lots of job openings out there for engineers, but they aren't going to pay someone with no experience a shitload of money. You will most likely have a job that pays well below what the statistics say, but after having a few years of experience, and getting your PE, you can start to get better jobs that also pay better.
Dan, a lot of the statistics come from students who had a real job then came back to get a degree later on in life. Having both the connections and the experience they are more likely to get a better paying job. Some also come from rich kids getting a job at daddy's plant because he graduated college. And some are just lucky or connected enough to get a job that good. The large majority of course doesn't. **** you know about it, I almost forgot, little CE.
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09-28-2005, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by G2G' post='764012' date='Sep 28 2005, 02:15 PM
Exactly my point. There are lots of job openings out there for engineers, but they aren't going to pay someone with no experience a shitload of money. You will most likely have a job that pays well below what the statistics say, but after having a few years of experience, and getting your PE, you can start to get better jobs that also pay better.
Dan, a lot of the statistics come from students who had a real job then came back to get a degree later on in life. Having both the connections and the experience they are more likely to get a better paying job. Some also come from rich kids getting a job at daddy's plant because he graduated college. And some are just lucky or connected enough to get a job that good. The large majority of course doesn't. **** you know about it, I almost forgot, little CE.
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Yeah man, I made a good living as a non degreed civil designer/surveyor. More than anyone that just graduated. My wife has finally put in enough time that she is making good money as an accountant. Took 3 years with a degree.
09-28-2005, 08:44 PM
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Yeah man. I hate it, a bunch of representatives at job fairs were throwing out numbers, and I ask how many people actually start out with that pay and what their qualifications were. Needless to say I got a few concerned looks. I hate that though, they get so many kids hyped up that if they make it through college that they'll start off making 90 grand a year and have it made.
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09-29-2005, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by G2G' post='764128' date='Sep 28 2005, 09:44 PM
Yeah man. I hate it, a bunch of representatives at job fairs were throwing out numbers, and I ask how many people actually start out with that pay and what their qualifications were. Needless to say I got a few concerned looks. I hate that though, they get so many kids hyped up that if they make it through college that they'll start off making 90 grand a year and have it made.
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Even if/when you get that nice pay, you'll probably owe over $100k to the school that enabled you to get that job, this is of course before falling into debt with buying your first house or God forbid getting a car or getting married (other big expenses).
Scholarships help a great deal if you can grab as many as possible.
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09-29-2005, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PhoenixDownVII' post='764327' date='Sep 29 2005, 05:46 AM
Even if/when you get that nice pay, you'll probably owe over $100k to the school that enabled you to get that job, this is of course before falling into debt with buying your first house or God forbid getting a car or getting married (other big expenses).
Scholarships help a great deal if you can grab as many as possible.
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Marriage doesn't have to be an expense. Cost me 100 bucks. The amount I save in insurance and taxes a year is in the thousands.
09-29-2005, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 94touring' post='764367' date='Sep 29 2005, 12:05 PM
Marriage doesn't have to be an expense. Cost me 100 bucks. The amount I save in insurance and taxes a year is in the thousands.
Yea, of course. But like Car's, Home's, etc. It's really up to you.
You can spend from $1,000-$500k+ on your next car, on your wedding, on your home...