phinsup

I guess I am somewhat confused as to how the line is drawn? Addiction? So if you have 6 drrinks a week you are not weak, but strong and if you have 7 you are weak? If I gamble $10.00 away I am stud, but $20 I am a weak gambler?



I could roll out a blanket term for any statement I want.



Where does the line between enjoying life and being "weak" start and end. Who drew the line? You? Some non-existant power that be? What did people do before they had no inhibitions, before drugs were illegal, before society dictated the norm? Were they wrong, were they weak? Stupid?



Or do you simply have no faults.... here is one for you, trying to point out faults on others so you don't expose your own.

wraith

not true we are talking about addicts.



People who drink don't have weak minds, but alcoholics do.



People have sex, that is just normal. what kinda point was that supposed to make? Humans not only get pleasure out of sex, but it is a way to show affection towards your mate.



People who go to church don't have weak minds. The urge to want and to believe in something greater than what is on earth is not a sign of weakness unless your a bitter coldhearted person. if anything people who at least attempt to have faith in anything are trying to expand their minds.



Do i say i have no vices....no everyone has a vice, but do i have any addictions, no. People who let themselves become dependant on a drug to have a fruitful day have weak minds.

phinsup

That make sno sense it;s contradicting. You are addicted and weak if you smoke, but not if you drink? That's what I am talking about, who drew that line, liquor is addictive, but if you aren't weak?



"mate" they aren't a mate, mate stems from "mating" you aren't mating to propogate the species. I could just make a balnket statement like you did about smokers and say because you have sex you weak, you give in to temptations of the flesh, I pitty you but I didn't.



church does not "expand" your mind, it narrows it, the desire to fill some void in your self with 1 man's interpretation of a very old book is not expanding your mind, it's narrowing it. Look at what religion breeds into society? hate against other religions, people with different beliefs, how many wars have been fought in the name of religion?



It is impossible to draw a line between recreational and addiction. Some would say if you drink weekly you are an alcoholic, I'll send them all your way next time since you have been chosen to draw the line between addiction and recreation.





PS these views are not necssarily my views, but mearly an argument in reply to your statements, don't take them to heart or label me as some evil sinner

phinsup

You want to "expand your mind" travel the world, experience different cultures, see what role society plays in the way people live... don't join a cult... whoops I mean a church.

wraith

now is the desire to fill the void that one feels in ones life weaker than trying to deny it?

j9fd3s

i could quit anytime

phinsup

Who knows, who gets to decide and furthermore what difference does it make? Why should anyone be judged by their vices or called weak or stupid, shouldn't they be judged by the person they are, their actions towards others, the good or evil they do in life?



Calling someone weak or stupid because they smoke or drink or **** is just as bad as calling them lazy because they are mexican, or cheap because they are jewish. IT's NO DIFFERENT and it's certainly one of the many forms of racism that religions breed.

phinsup

ok gotta go, i am sure this topic will be muddied and less then interesting once the kids get too it so this may be my last post.

christi

Good question.



This was brought up in my summer course for my college class today....



I asked this dude why does he even smoke.... and he's like...



"Well, you're gonna die someday, so what's the use if you smoke or not?"



Or something like that.

wraith

i wansn't calling anyone stupid....that wasn't me that said that. i was simply trying to make the point that anyone who becomes dependent on any substance any at all is weak. you can't compair a casual drinker to some one that is an alcoholic.....that is why they are called alcoholics. just like you can't compair someone who has a cigarette once a week at a party a smoker. at no point did i say that because you're a smoker you are a bad person and at no point did i say that becasue you screw or drink you are a bad person. i just said that dependencies are a sign of weakness. now as far as contradicting is concerned you seem to have a very one sided view against religion. don't you find it funny how you'll defend anyone that smokes or drinks, but if they go to church $&#^ em. that doesn't sound very open minded, and i'm sure you have your reasons to feel that way. Grouping religion together like that is just another form of the racism you are so against.