http://www.eff.org/share/petition/

Sign this pettition.

They wanted 10,000 signatures

I signed. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

I signed....but only becuase you are from Texas https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

hahahaha where is LaPorte?

about 20 minutes away from Galveston. I guess I really cant brag about being so close to water

Ah cool Laredo is sooo dry :-/

Yeah I know....I used to go their all the time. Lots of family over that way. If you couldnt guess I am hispanic https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

Forfit 2k that could have gone to clothe and feed....oh give me a break.



What part of stealing is wrong don't they understand?



If they respected copyright they wouldn't be stealing in the first place.



Granted RIAA is a bunch of greedy bastards that are putting out a bunch of crap for music and charging far to much for it but when does that give someone the right to commit theft?

I've never stolen a CD from a store.

Did you even read the petition? If you didn't STFU and GTFO

hell there arent any cds i really want from the store...



good god RIAA is making it so nobody buys music at all!

lol so am I https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png I am statring a small RX-7 club down here we are up to 5 members. I fyou ever gonna come to laredo and want to hang out or cxruise around let me know



Santiago

Yes I read it dumbass, otherwise how would I have known about the statement about the 2k? Perhaps if you knew how to speak english you would understand that?



So answer the question, why is it right to steal from RIAA even if they are greedy, etc?

The only stuff that I would download were songs that I couldnt find at the store. I have lots of Canadian Brass and Techno on my comp.

To The United States Congress:





We are the customers and former customers of the member labels of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). We love music and will gladly pay a fair price for it, but we are outraged by the RIAA's tactics in suing ordinary Americans for filesharing.



We condemn the RIAA's choice to force the family of a 12 year-old girl to forfeit $2,000 - money that could have gone to feed, clothe and educate this honor student. We stand with the retirees, parents, children and others who have been caught in the RIAA's line of fire.



We respect reasonable copyright law, but we strongly oppose copyright enforcement that comes at the expense of privacy, due process and fair application of the law.



We urge you, as our representatives in Congress, to stop this madness.



We oppose the recording industry's decision to attack the public, bankrupt its customers and offer false amnesty to those who would impugn themselves. We call instead for a real amnesty: the development of a legal alternative that preserves file-sharing technology while ensuring that artists are fairly compensated.



In signing this petition, we formally request that the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), as representatives of the public interest, be included in any upcoming hearings regarding the proper scope of copyright enforcement in the digital age.



We sincerely thank you for your time.





Its a friggin 12 year old girl how the hell is she suppossed to know that clicking a damn link on kazzaa is stealing? It doesn't resemble actual theft like breaking into a house and taking ****. 2k dollars that that family now has to pay for **** that costs less than 2 dollars to make and them make 18 dollars off of a 20 dollar CD. How is that fair? you loose 18 dollars so you take 2k??



Also f@ck you ass this isn't a wrtiting class so I don't care about typo's and bad grammar. If you don't like it don't post here simple as that.

I don't think that "oops I did it again" deserves to be worth X,000,000 dollars. Artists the REAL ones anyways will always make art be it music or painting but they are the ones that don't feel the need to make millions upon millions of dollars for some pre-made garbage they didn't even make. We are only hurting the record companies. The true artists will never leave and they will be the ones supported by fans.

I would laugh my ass of if they tried to sue me for using kazaa, i'd tell them to blow me... As I beat some stolen tunes..

Would it be wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family? Now say your family doesn't like bread, they like music...

times change, and so does technology. were they complaining this much when VHS and casettes came out???

Admit it RIAA blew it when they sued that little girl. That is a PR nightmare they just made for themselves.





Smoking pot is illegal too and a majority of the musicians smoke it. I laughed when I saw Busta Rhymes preaching on TV to stop stealing music. He promotes and glorifies Drug abuse and that in turn costs us the tax payers money in public aid and anti-drug campaigns to offset his actions.



I have a DAT (Digital Audio Tape) Recorder and I record music off of a local Digital radio station. I am wondering if I will get sued for "stealing" music and will they sue the radio station for supplying it to me.



I record movies off of HBO and Cinimax on my VCR again am I going to get sued??



I would download a song now and then but mostly purchased CD's of the music I really wanted. Since this BS has gone down I no longer will buy any CD's period.



Everyone should boycott the music industry for 1 year and see how they change their tune.



It was stated before but I will repeat it. I purchased one of the first DVD players costing me over $400 and my first CD costing $20. I was assured by the industry the prices would drop in time. Well.. 17 years later I can pick up a CD player for $30 and CD's STILL cost $20. Who is ripping off who??

The RIAA is fucked in any case. You can record(steal) music with an audio tape, VHS, CDR, VCD, DVDR, MP3, MPEG, etc..



I personally use a minidisc player MD's rock! i only Down load DJ sets and music that would never be available here or is too old for them to stock anymore. The RIAA would have to sue Sony Panasonic Sharp Phillips Dell Toshiba and all the other companies that make recording devices available to the public. I don't see that happening.

Ahhhh the joys of trying to justify illegal behavior, never ceases to amaze me.



The answer to the loaf of bread question is yes it's wrong to steal the loaf of bread. Of course that's not something that should happen with charity out there so the question is where did the charity break down?



So where are the girls parents? Age makes theft legal? Charming I'll have my 11 year old take some stuff I want, not need, and not pay for it. It'll be fine right?



There's an old saying "If you'll steal a dime you'll still a million" All depends on the justification.



If you don't like RIAA don't buy from them. You don't need the music, you just want it. No matter how you want to word it or what you want to say about it you're dead wrong, it's theft and if you get caught and punished it's your problem.



It's perfectly fair to sue someone for above the amount lost. It's called punative damages.



And you still haven't answered the question: What makes theft right again? Must have missed that part.



Moral Of The Story: Don't steal.

I know its wrong to steal the bread. It was sort of a simpsons reference.



I also contend that people need music to survive. If there was no music in the world people would be killing themselves all over the place. I guess you could turn to church or something instead but that would suck. Or make your own music, which is a good alternative also.

Never stole ANYthing Rotarydragon? Anyway, there will always be ways to share files with out them knowing, ppl will do it just to say FU RIAA. I have know quite a few ppl that are in up and coming bands, and they are mostly pretty kewl with file sharing music, cuz what better way do you have to let ppl listen to your music, and spread the word about your band.

Everytime I click this thread my friggen monitor starts blinking. weird

How does downloading music = stealing.



If it is indeed stealing than damn! I have been stealing all kinds of stuff for years. When I was 14 years old I used to tape songs off the radio all the time. I didn't have any money to spend on records or tapes.



I am not trying to justify stealing. I am simply pointing out the actions of the RIAA are over the top. I have not downloaded a song since they started talking law suits. But I'll be damned if they try to sue me for songs I downloaded 2 years ago.



If they were trying to scare me into not downloading songs it worked.



I ALSO do not buy CD's anymore and will not until they lower the prices to resonable amounts. Its a 2 way street.

So RotoryDragon doesnt have a single downloaded song in his computer?



I havent bothered downloading anything pretty much since AudioGalaxy was shut down, but before that I got a kick out of getting as much music as I could.



Now if I couldnt download the music, I wasnt going to buy it anyhow. And I believe that to be the case with alot of people.



Its not like downloading music will help me pay for my mortgage or anything, so basically if I couldnt do it, I would just simply go without.



All this is doing is making people despise the recording industry more. The real problem is the price of CDs versus what you are getting in return. Lower the price of CDs to $7-$8 and more people will buy them. Thats saying they start putting out some music thats WORTH buying to begin with

Well stated. Exactly how I feel. Start making music worth buying. and for 20 bux it better come with a handjob.

part of human nature is having music, imagine live without music, your constantly surrounded by it.

Yes but music isn't required it's not like bread, etc. As far as music goes I have some on most of the time, play the guitar among other insturments and would be in the college madgrial group if my schedule didn't conflict and provided I was good enough to get in. (Which I might be, just depends on who else trys out. I sing OK)



I certainly don't support RIAA's marketing or general biz model 99% of the music turned out sucks and it's all overpriced.



Taping songs off the radio isn't illegal so far as I know, plus everyone can hear them just by tuning in. The artist looses no money if that's the only song you'll listen to by them. The artist does loose money however if you download the rest of the CD. It's like giving out a free sample of food, you may get more sales. Downloading is stealing because you did not pay for those songs that have not been released to the public. It's the same as walking out of the store without paying for the CD.



So again I think music is overpriced and most of it is crap. I hate buying a CD to find there is one good song on the whole thing. RIAA needs to get it's act together, lower prices and get rid of artists who have little or no talent and start producing some solid music.

When I was a teenager on Long Island there was a rock station that would play new albums all the way through every sunday night, I used to tape the entire album as they were playing it. I had the same album on tape that the kid next to me on the bus had except I didn't pay for mine.



I was steeling entire albums 20 years ago.



I not trying to give you **** RD just pointing out that this has been going on for years and now suddenly the slump in record sales is due to the internet. Maybe its because 99% of the music coming out right now SUCKS.

Yeah, where is the talent now? I guess we are in a new era of musicians.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif Especially rap...

Yup, im gonna put my name on something pretty much saying "i illegally download things" in the form of a petition and give it to the RIAA, right.

hahah.. thats what I was thinkin.. this will become a hit list..

I don't think I have DL'ed an RIAA song in a long time. Unless DJ's are part of the RIAA lol! Then I am foxored.

i wish people would stop going around trying to force belief systems on me. never fails when something is declared "illegal", there's someone telling you you're a bad person because you don't follow the law. i'm pretty sure everyone on this board breaks the law on a daily basis (speed limits...) but thats a victimless crime right? so its ok....



the only person i want telling me whats wrong and right is the person that has done absolute good and absolute evil in there lifetime. thats the only person i believe really knows the difference, since i've never met this person yet. i'll have to decide for myself about myself. i have a hard enough time living my life, how can i tell someone else how to live theirs?



the only people that really have a problem with file sharing are RIAA and extremists who see fit to tell you, you're bad and be like them cause they're good. if more people in this world would think for themselves and not regurgitate thoughts drilled into their heads by others. i'm pretty sure a majority of people would be much happier.



in the end the music companies will give in and start selling music cheaper, people will still download music, the "Do Good" extremists will still try to force their beleifs on us, criminals will still do bad stuff, and all us rotary folks will still break the speed limit on a daily basis in this half-sane but crazy world of ours.



Loi

so wait is it illegal if my friend has a cd, and then he lets me have it???

I used to download a song or 2, if I decided I liked it enough I would buy the CD. Since the RIAA begain its strongarm tactics and suing little girls I dont download much any more, but I dont buy anything any more either. I will be damned if I send the record companies another penny if I know there is a possibility it will be used to pay legal fees to sue their fans. Great way to protect the musicians, sue their fans!



Oh yeah, and I wonder if people who sign that petition with names like realize how cool they really are https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif

exactly, never want your name on something thats prosomething illegal, cuz that means your doing illegal things and they know who to target.



kevin.