RE4

So, I live in Idaho, the state is a Right-to-work state. Currently there is a movement to repeal the right-to-work law(s). I have heard many of the pros and cons from both sides, but am still undecided how I will vote. Many of you on the forumn are from older, more settled states and I would like your take on the issue (a description of how and how well your state's labor laws work would be great).

The average member here is about my age and this will effect me about the same as it would you, please add your input. As for the old crumugins on the site your input is eaqually valuble despite most whippersnappers thinking that it is not, there is wisdom in age, so, contribute too.



RE420B (the other Kevin)

j9fd3s

for those of us living in a communist utopia whats right to work?

spaceman Spiff

yeah i dont know either...

RE4

http://www.nrtw.org/c/idrtwlaw.htm



Basically, Unions have no power, employers can fire you at anytime without reason, and very little job security.



Kevin

l8t apex

Non-union states. You are paid on performance and can be fired at will.

Cost of services is usually cheaper and not redundant. (A union welder can’t touch union plumbers equipment, or connect plumbing with out a union plumbers oversight) The pyramid design of the union makes the top brass powerful and the members are to get higher base wages, better health benefits etc. but they must pay a due out of the higher pay and their dues are used to in campaign contributions with out the consensus of the members. (Big stink right now)

Unions strike together as support for personnel financial gains at the cost of services to the public. (Airlines, dockworkers) They can’t be fired with out major money hearing and filings. (Damn near impossible)

Tenure for teachers is an example. Instead of pay by performance they get guaranteed employment.

The average worker who is making $10.00hr would be making $17.00 but pay dues. He must strike and not work when others do, even if he will suffer. The cost of services and production of goods becomes very expensive and the jobs go overseas where they are getting paid nothing and then union loses jobs. The unions have been shrinking and they are trying real hard and loud to come back.

Every part of airline services is union.pilots, stewards, mechanics bagboys...all have nonfire, high wage and health benefits but at a cost to you the consumer with extremely high fairs. So as you see they have to renegotiate because the airlines lose business go broke and bankrupt and then they are out of jobs anyway. They then forgo the gains just to keep their jobs

Unions are good for the top tier not for the consumer or public at large.

99% of people wouldn’t lose their job with good performance. While it’s nice to have benefits union is not a cost effective method of doing so.

I believe I should fire any slacker or dingle berry with out paying arbitrators and having hearings and then pay loss compensation.

Fuckem when the company policy says no drugs and then I have to pay for a drug intervention/rehab they that really don’t want to do.

All the shipyards employees and oil field service told the unions to get out of here .The employers have good plans and benefits with out the extra cost of unions.The employees win and the employer wins with those who want to work!



Union = Indo China jobs.

ambassador_josh

I was in the CWA local 6012 (communication workers of America) while I was at cingular. I liked it. Dues were only 1 hour of wages per pay period, so like $20 a month. However, it did work out in my favor, since one of the terms in the union contract is that cingular provides excellent health benefits for CHEAP. I was paying $5 a check for full medical, dental, and vision coverage, plus some awesome rates on AD&D. At my old job, health insurance for me alone was $70 per check (I got paid biweekly) so I'd was much better off paying $30 a month for the insurance+dues than the 140 a month for health insurance at the old place. Plus, short of standing on your desk, whipping out your dong, and peeing on your coworkers, you really didnt have to get worried about getting fired.



Downside to cingular? They're all whiny P.C. types who're looking to complain about the slightest thing so they could sue and not have to work.



Union=good.

j9fd3s

ive never worked for a union job, but some of my friends have, and basically the way its shaken out in the last few years is that the union really doesnt do anything for them except take dues

JimmyJimboJet

i've worked around unions for the past 6 years (pipefitters, steamfitters and welders), and sometimes it just makes me sick that they can't be fired, JUST BECAUSE PERFORMANCE ISN'T AN ISSUE. bottom line: 85% of the union rats I've been around are just lazy as ****. i think it's a total joke that some new guy (maybe he's good and knows what he's doing, but most of the time that isn't the case) will make the same wage as someone who has been doing the same thing AND MORE for 5, 10 15+ years. I just think unions are a big waste of time. If I **** someone off by saying this then I'm sorry, I'm speaking from my own situations and experience. Everytime I see one of those "there is no substitute for union crafstmanship" shirts I want to puke, because there is a substitute: ME



**** the union

phinsup

I've worked for companies where the union was a **** for the employee and the company and I've worked for companies where a union would have made our life much nicer, I dunno wut the answer is to be honest, I think it's a situation where neither should be forced, some undustries need them, some don't.



The airline industry is an interesting example, I was with one of the few companies in the industry that were non union and it was a ******* joke, employees got fucked at every turn, healthcare went goodbye, wage scale was fucked over and worst of all, when it came time to layoffs, even though they werent a union shop they laid off by senority not by who did the work.