i havent laughed that hard in a while https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

BAH ahaha



understeer!

"holy cow im totally goin so fast through these cones......aww ****(hits guy an falls into garage)" https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

Wow that sucks.

Stupid old guys...

there was a guy last weekend who was trying to drift his Fwd evo, but by hitting the gas at the apex so it would just understeer wide, it was sadly funny

FWD evo??

it looked like an evo, even had 4 giant lights on the hood rally style, but it was fwd.

oo I see it was probably a mirage with the evo kit. We have a few around here. Or a regular Lancer with an evo kit.

LOL I read that with the kids voice in mind...



"Last one there's a penis pump!"

what a tool

omg lol. What a beautiful car to wreck.

They were both like "duh" for at least a second there lol. Well, maybe a half second.

Damn...that was too funny...if I wasn't so sick right now I'd laugh w/o coughing up half a lung...great link!!!

damn i wrecked mine too.

that makes me sad

Heh.

I thought F50's were supposed to handle great that thing didn't even want to turn.

Rain + locked up front breaks = crash. The car didn't understeer, those things don't understeer AT ALL. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

um its understeering in the video. he shoulda hit the gas, or pulled the ebrake or something. understeer = you teh fooked

LOL, look at it again a few times. The guy enters the corner, he's got the steering wheel all the way to the right and the car just keeps going straight. Corect me if I'm wrong, but isn't a car that's understeering supposed to still turn somewhat into the direction the wheels are pointed?

you cant just lock the front brakes/wheels of a car, if he was locking the brakes the car would more likely fishtail then glide straight ahead.



thats overuse of power in a wet corner causing massive amounts of understeer.



ALL cars udnersteer or oversteer respectively.



kevin.

Any car can understeer - especially when you lock up the front wheels like that guy did. I would be surprised if the wheels weren't at least partially slick, which obviously is not good on a damp track - still funny when it's someone else though https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



Mark

9 times out of 10 it will be the front wheels that lock up first.



mark

yea they lockup first (by a second if not less) cause they do 70% of braking, but youll never only lock up your front brakes by themselves unless your rears are broken.

Of course the car will understeer when the brakes are locked up. This was clearly the case. If you've ever seen this car run on a dry track, you'll see that it doesn't understeer, never. Watch the Top Gear vid on this car, Clarkson says that the thing he fears the most is this car's "snap oversteer".



The track was damp, and you can see how easily he clears the other corner before getting to this one, here he obviously wanted to slow down, he got on the brakes and locked the fronts up.



Case closed, this is an F50 we're talking about. Ferrari built this car to be as close to an F1 GP car as possible, it's not gonna understeer when getting into a corner (unless you're going way to fast).

One more thing tek, you said that the fronts are gonna lock up for a second at most. If that's the case, he'd still be able to make the corner even if the track was wet. They lock up, release and he'd still be on his merry way. But, I highly doubt the F50 has ABS. In any case, he held his foot firmly on the brakes and that's why he fucked up.



If he released them slightly to let the wheels spin, he'd have slowed down and made the corner. But who knows, old people have slow reaction times.

read, read, and read again.



in a brake lockup situation the fronts of a vehicle lock up a second in advance to the rears, sometimes less, sometimes more, but when brakes lockup, all four WILL lockup.



thats what i said.



kevin.

oh and rewatch the video closely, while crashing his wheels are still turning, you can barely make it out, but it is visible.



there's no wheel lockup, the screeching is severe understeer caused by overpowering and underestimating a wet corner.



kevin

No, you said it right here. If I tried to decipher every single one of your posts, it would land me in the psych ward. I ust watched the vid again and turned up the volume, you can hear the tires screeching.



He was going to fast, locked them up (fronts rears, doesn't matter) and paniced. He stayed on the brakes and lost it. Period, nothig to do with understeer, it would happen with any car, ABS or not.

so tires screeching = locked brakes?



tell that one to the drifters.



as for deciphering my posts, you dont have to, just read the damn topic in order, and read what i quote before i reply.



youre just being a bitch trying to act like im stupid because you still upset at poor wittle ol' me. damn cry baby get over it.



kevin.

1. Front wheels locking-up = understeer. Rear wheels locking-up = oversteer. ie. two completely different things. 2. When the front wheels lose grip it's called understeer no matter what the cause, be it FWD or even locked-up front wheels. 3. The sole purpose of ABS is to stop the wheels from locking-up, and it's extremely difficult to lock-up the wheels on an ABS equipped car.



It's quite rare for the rear wheels to lock-up, it does happen, but to say that it will happen everytime the wheels are locked-up after "1 second" is nonsense. I've had the front wheels locked-up many times well over a second, and the rears were nowhere near locking up.



Mark

im tired of this argument quite frankly but ill make some small notes:



ABS' sole purpose is to make severe braking controllable by allowing the wheels to continually roll and only pulsate the brake applications.



if you EVER lock up the brakes on an ABS equipped car drive it DIRECTLY to the dealer and demand a new brake system be installed. it should be absolutely impossible to fully lockup an ABS system, it defies the laws of the system. Now if you start factoring in weather, grip etc then its possible, due to slippery conditions the pulsation in the brakes causes the wheel speed sensor to see the wheel speed as slowing, which it is when the car is simply continuing to slide. When the speed sensor sees the wheel is slowing it has no way to tell the car is still moving and it moves into "park" mode in which once a specified low mph/kmph is reached the abs provides solid "non-abs" type braking for sitting at lights without having the pedal pulsate.



ABS DOES NOT allow shorter braking,smoething everyone says, you didnt say it, but i just always include that line in my abs talks.



Now as for your "front wheels lock up = understeer" thing... you saying my wheels have to lockup for it to actually be understeer? if so that is RIDICULOUS. but i read on and you contradict your own statement of "such and such = such such" by explaining other possibilities, wow you're a winner in this argument.



But in fact understeer or oversteer has nothing to do with losing grip, in fact every car comes from the factory with understeer or oversteer, not likes its an optional its a design characteristic cause by the laws of this earth, there are almost no cars in which one of these two factors are not in there. It is due to weight, drive wheel configuration and many other things. hell even go-karts have charactieristics of understeer. It is NOT simply slidding out in a corner, it's the completely reaction and feel of a car in a corner.



Quite rare for rear wheels to lock up? I will GIVE YOU my t2 to test, it has no abs, if you can slam no just the brake pedal and make the rears not lockup, its yours to keep. The only way to have the rears not stop is to reapply throttle to the drive wheels. Due to the rear braknig characteristics, aka 30% of total braking power is held by the rear brakes, the power of any standard or even substandard engine can break through that 30% and provide rear wheel motion. But in most non-abs systems when you slam on the brake and the brake alone all 4 tires will lockup whether there's a 1 second in-between time or not.



quite honestly id like video of only your front brakes working, cause it's hilarious. Your proportioning valve or complete brake system is failing and you simply think thats how things work, this is great, im going to print it out and hang it in the shop.



and if youre going to reply, read everything or else dont bother replying.



kevin.

I drive for a local car dealer, I lock up ABS equiped car's brakes all the time in rain and snow. Is it simple, HELL YEAH. If you think that ABS is lockup proof, you're seriously wrong.



It feels like the brake pedal is pushing back against your foot when you do it. It's like wheel hop, but with the reverse effect. Locking up ABS brakes is a joke.

**********ER YOU HAVE NEVER DRIVEN A CAR THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO LOCK ITS BRAKES UP...



SHUT UP SRCE YOU ARE MAKING AN ASS OUT OF YOURSELF THE MORE YOU TALK IN EVERY POST







you want to know what understeering is...get in a stock rx7 and bring it to the autox



i just locked my brakes up two nights ago and crashed...that is NOT locking brakes...thats understeering



you are such a ******* waste of time.....



this isnt even arguing about opinions or gay **** about your car or you



you are trying to argue about driving tactics and techincal information that you have no clue what you are talking about....so just stop



you coming here and trying to explain what techincal car **** is....its like me coming to you and explaining how to be gay.....

YOU SIR ARE A RETARD



read the rest of that ******* PARAGRAPH:



Now if you start factoring in weather, grip etc then its possible, due to slippery conditions the pulsation in the brakes causes the wheel speed sensor to see the wheel speed as slowing, which it is when the car is simply continuing to slide. When the speed sensor sees the wheel is slowing it has no way to tell the car is still moving and it moves into "park" mode in which once a specified low mph/kmph is reached the abs provides solid "non-abs" type braking for sitting at lights without having the pedal pulsate.





you lock it up in the rain and snow, this explains why, you stupid ******* toucan sam looking never get a girl dumbass wannabe rapper mothafucker.



god damn and i even specifically said READ THE WHOLE THING.



kevin.

and you also dont know **** about cars "duh the pedal pushes back"



its called pedal pulsation, its so you know the abs is working by...........TADA.........pulsating the valves inside the ABS pump to deliver and take away braknig power from the wheels.



it isnt ******* wheel hop in reverse you dumbass.



kevin.

oh and sars thanks for ruining what WAS an intellectual conversation, ******* idiot.



trying to preach about cars like youve EVER worked on one "duhr i lock up dem dere brakes yessir i do"



kevin.

LOL, you guys are a riot. Dumb as hell, full of anger and hate, and so blinded by unjustified rage that it just cracks me up.



The track the vid occured at was wet, that's the only reason I said that they lock up easily.



And Frestyle, do us all a favor and drop the tough guy act. We'll see how tough you are in person soon enough.