One Large Thing I Like About The Rotary World
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Originally Posted by Seppuku' date='Feb 10 2005, 02:35 PM
Slow down down shift before turn. find your groove throttle all the way threw turn.
Basically what i do except I start throttling after apex...but it depends on what kinda corner. But I have alwasys been told it's a no no to shift or brake in the corner.
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Originally Posted by Shane.Trammell' date='Feb 10 2005, 03:11 PM
i kinda shift in the middle of corners too bc i dont engine break. this puts me at down shifting in the middle of the turn unless i go into the turn at full clutch in the gear at which i will exit the turn.
Bad idea, use the engine and the brakes to slow down before entering a turn.
Originally Posted by ApneaBlue' date='Feb 10 2005, 03:20 PM
im no expert driver or anything and maybe you could teach me a thing or two...But I though you should take care of braking and shifting prior to the corner to not shift the load on the suspension during the corner and at some instances use left foot braking during the corner.
I haven't got the left foot braking thing down yet or even know when to use it. Is this shifting in the corner deal working for you?
I haven't got the left foot braking thing down yet or even know when to use it. Is this shifting in the corner deal working for you?
Left foot braking will get you in more trouble than its worth, you are better off not practing bad habits.
Originally Posted by ApneaBlue' date='Feb 10 2005, 03:41 PM
Basically what i do except I start throttling after apex...but it depends on what kinda corner. But I have alwasys been told it's a no no to shift or brake in the corner.
Try throttling through the apex, ease into the throttle before the apex so you are at WOT @ the apex.
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Originally Posted by 89 Rag' date='Feb 10 2005, 02:56 PM
Bad idea, use the engine and the brakes to slow down before entering a turn.
Left foot braking will get you in more trouble than its worth, you are better off not practing bad habits.
Try throttling through the apex, ease into the throttle before the apex so you are at WOT @ the apex.
Left foot braking will get you in more trouble than its worth, you are better off not practing bad habits.
Try throttling through the apex, ease into the throttle before the apex so you are at WOT @ the apex.
So are you saying that left foot braking is a bad habbit?
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Originally Posted by Seppuku' date='Feb 10 2005, 03:57 PM
ive ended up redlining 4th in a turn and having to shift but i was after the apex at that point. I dont like shifting braking in the turn and if i remember right braking in turn can cuase loss of traction.
Absolutely, spirited driving + braking in a turn = immediate oversteer, possibily slamming into various inanimate enteties.
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Originally Posted by 89 Rag' date='Feb 10 2005, 04:56 PM
i do use the engine to break to a point, i just dont downshift in order to engine break. the most i use the engine for is say if im in 5th, ill break down to where the car is about to start bucking in 5th and go full clutch. then ill ds and not engage the clutch til its time to accelerate. i pretty much do all of my braking by the time i enter the turn.
why is it a bad idea?
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Originally Posted by 89 Rag' date='Feb 10 2005, 06:20 PM
I fail to see how either of you differ, you both bought a rotary powered car and drive them, there is no elitist position to take. It doesn't matter if its an R-100 or any other rotary powered vehicle all the way along to the RX-8.
Just because an 8 is the newest version in the rotary family doesn't make it inferior, any rotary powered vehicle has it trade-offs with other of it's rotary powered kin, but they all make up the pedigree that is Rotary Power, and frankly it should be celebrated, for those of us in the U.S. hadn't seen a new rotary powered vehicle on a showroom floor since '96.
The RX-8, among other things, is a symbol that the rotary powered pedigree will continue and evolve, and the sour taste in our mouths caused by the handfull of buffoons that don't know or care what they are driving, is a small price to pay, but will fade quickly, for even those village idiots and thier overall lack of knowledge, are helping the rotary family grow.
As the title of this thread reads, this is "one large thing I like about the rotary world"
Just because an 8 is the newest version in the rotary family doesn't make it inferior, any rotary powered vehicle has it trade-offs with other of it's rotary powered kin, but they all make up the pedigree that is Rotary Power, and frankly it should be celebrated, for those of us in the U.S. hadn't seen a new rotary powered vehicle on a showroom floor since '96.
The RX-8, among other things, is a symbol that the rotary powered pedigree will continue and evolve, and the sour taste in our mouths caused by the handfull of buffoons that don't know or care what they are driving, is a small price to pay, but will fade quickly, for even those village idiots and thier overall lack of knowledge, are helping the rotary family grow.
As the title of this thread reads, this is "one large thing I like about the rotary world"
I am not taking an elitist position. Re-read my thread. I simply state that buying an Rx-8 in preparation towards the FD really doesn't accomplish much. Driving a RWD car with no power to prepare for RWD quirks that enlarge with higher HP is another thing...but driving an Rx8 doesn't prepare me for an FD. Neither does the opposite. It's just a totally irrelivant statement. I've had my FD for 6 months now and have yet to do more than routine maintenance. It all depends on what happens.
Again, the rest of your rant is unrelated to my post you quoted. I never said the Rx8 sucks. Actually, if you search my posts on "Other Cars" at Supraforums I am constantly reminding those that complain about it that its NOT the sports car the 7 was designed to be, and that I like the 8 for what it is: A family sports sedan. Mazda's rotary edition of a 3-series BMW.
Bah, but I shouldn't have to defend myself because I never said the rx8 sucks, hell, i support it despite Mazda's screwups (ONCE AGAIN)!
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Originally Posted by Shane.Trammell' date='Feb 10 2005, 04:07 PM
i do use the engine to break to a point, i just dont downshift in order to engine break. the most i use the engine for is say if im in 5th, ill break down to where the car is about to start bucking in 5th and go full clutch. then ill ds and not engage the clutch til its time to accelerate. i pretty much do all of my braking by the time i enter the turn.
why is it a bad idea?
why is it a bad idea?
If you are coming up to a turn in 5th, you can go deeper into the turn by first using the engine to slow you down by dropping a gear or two and goosing the throttle as you let the clutch out in each gear to match the rpm's a little, after which, you would smoothly and steadily apply the brake pedal with your right foot, your left would be off the clutch pedal and continue to be until after the apex of the turn.
As you let off the brake pedal with your right foot, you will begin to steer into the turn and gently begin to apply pressure to the throttle, then gradually increasing the pressure on the throttle, hitting WOT at or slightly after the apex of the turn, after which you would move your left foot back toward the clutch pedal anticipating an upshift to fourth and so on.
The description you gave in the quote leads me to believe you are coasting through the turn, which in turn means you are braking without the engine at all making you apply the brakes way sooner than you would have to, and leaving the rpm's way too low coming out of the turn.
