Well, I'll try and make this as short as possible.



I originally wanted to rebuild my 13b and drop about 6 grand into it. This money will give me around 500whp. Unfortunately, my motor is not going to last very long when it's pushing that much power. So I was trying to find a solution for high hp #'s that would be more reliable.



Then I got to thinking about a 20b. I know it's quite a bit more expensive, but I'm sure it's far more reliable because it's high horsepower is basically "stock" numbers so-to-speak.



So here's my question. What will cost me more in the long run. My 13b hooked up to 450-500whp, or a 20b turbo swap that'll produce more horsepower, more reliably?



I figure they both will suck about the same gas, because I was going to put the HKS 20b fuel pump on the 13b anyways.



I posted this here because I figure more people will look at it. I would greatly appreciate any help offered.

Well, you make a few good points. The 20B will make the same power more reliably and will last longer. They'll use about the same mount of fuel for the same amount of power. From what I can tell, the only disadvantage to the 20B swap is the money. It can make more reliable power, a **** oad of torque, the coolness factor is through the roof and exculsivity is a key.



Here's my suggestion. Let Ito build you a bulletproof 13B which you can tune to 400whp for daily driving at acertain level of boost, then tune for 500 or 550whp at high boost and get a nice boost controler.



When you need it, switch on the fly and blow the doors of whatever gets in you way and then turn the boost back down. Honestly, who uses 500+ whp on a daily basis?



But, I hate to be an idea killer, I hate it when I get an idea nad people bluntly say that it isn't possible. So, if you want the 20B, get all the info on what you'll need before hand. Make sure you get your finances straight and set realistic goals and go for it.



Good luck dude.

I have to agree with "Shiney Pants" https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif 20B's are wicked cool and I'd give my left nut for one but they aren't exactly cheap. I've heard that Judge Ito really knows how to put together a great motor, and that whole boost controller idea is just way cool https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/happy.png



Pressing a button and blowing everyone off the road = WIN ... And it's not like you couldn't before the "button" https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif

ill race you to install a 20B in an FD....

Sell the FD. You'll have enought to have a kick-ass 20b powered FB.

It's all about preference, and he would prefer a 20B powered FD.

Thanks Damir. You make a valid point about the 13B that I left unsaid. I already have done some necessary internal work to the motor, but I'm afraid it wont last long regardless. Dragon Motor Sports has an untuned, T-78 13B pushing about 490whp, and it's been running for over a year on 17 psi (same setup I was going to get). Then, of course, a good fuel/boost controller like a Greddy E-01 would keep the power down for daily use. I intended on doing this if I hooked up the 13B.



Then again, a 20B is ****** sexy, and fast as **** to boot. Reliability wouldn't be nearly as large of an issue as the 13B would, because the insane horsepower practically comes stock. Unfortunately and fortunately, even with zero boost, that motor will put out tons of power, and suck lots of fuel.



Oh well, I need to ponder on this for a while. Thanks for all the current input.

Whatever you pick man ... Your Seven's gonna rock hardcore!



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Most would, but sometimes you have to make sacrifices to have what you really and truly want.