Jesus is going down. Hard.
05-25-2007, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MtnRacer' post='872952' date='May 24 2007, 09:02 PM
O Rly?ly 2039 B.C.
Also I'm no expert in Hebrew, but I've heard it said that the word translated as day (yom) refers less to a 24 hour day and more to an extended period of time - especially the way it's used in genesis. The bible uses different literary techniques, it isn't primarily a science book so it uses a lot of metaphors and things - eg commons sense prevails that Jesus wasn't physically a rock, or even a shepherd - why can't the same apply to the 1st chapter of genesis, especially when it's written in a similar way?
I'm not necessarily saying I have the right answer, but it's what seems the most plausible to me, call it my interpretation. The big problems people have with christianity invariably is never with the bible, it's with the christians themselves and their interpretations of the bible - remember at one time "the church" held the belief that the world was flat, even though the bible doesn't support the idea. In fact what you'll find is that the bible consistently goes hand in hand with what we are learning about science, in fact the better understanding of science you have the better understanding of the bible you'll have too - einsteins theory of relativity has this year been validated to within 1% so at this point we can pretty much assume it's accurate, when you read the bible with this in mind it makes more sense not less.
05-25-2007, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by phinsup' post='872989' date='May 24 2007, 09:34 PM
Jesus rocks, you should see that guy mow my lawn, dude is quick and damn handy with a weed whacker.
Yeah, you should see him attack my bushes. Damn good job. And that son of a bitch loves him some corona!
05-25-2007, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by inanimate_object' post='873016' date='May 25 2007, 02:55 AM
Ya rly! Everything you mentioned there seems spot on as far as I can see, apart from the fact that you make no allowance for how long creation took, apart from mention of days and nights, there's nothing to say that the that week couldn't have taken billions of years. In fact as far as I'm concerned there's more to support the alternative. For instance, on one of the "days" adam had the job of naming all the animal species on the planet - I can't see how he could have done that in 24 hours.
Also I'm no expert in Hebrew, but I've heard it said that the word translated as day (yom) refers less to a 24 hour day and more to an extended period of time - especially the way it's used in genesis. The bible uses different literary techniques, it isn't primarily a science book so it uses a lot of metaphors and things - eg commons sense prevails that Jesus wasn't physically a rock, or even a shepherd - why can't the same apply to the 1st chapter of genesis, especially when it's written in a similar way?
I'm not necessarily saying I have the right answer, but it's what seems the most plausible to me, call it my interpretation. The big problems people have with christianity invariably is never with the bible, it's with the christians themselves and their interpretations of the bible - remember at one time "the church" held the belief that the world was flat, even though the bible doesn't support the idea. In fact what you'll find is that the bible consistently goes hand in hand with what we are learning about science, in fact the better understanding of science you have the better understanding of the bible you'll have too - einsteins theory of relativity has this year been validated to within 1% so at this point we can pretty much assume it's accurate, when you read the bible with this in mind it makes more sense not less.
Let me preface by saying that I have 12 years of religious(catholic) education under my belt, but I think the bible is a very poor reference guide, sorry. It contradicts itself in so many places and is so open to interpretation (as you mentioned) that anybody can (and they do) use it to justify just about anything, from the crusades all the way to banning gay marriage. And sodomy aside, there are some things written expressly in the bible, which I believe are not open to interpretation, such as a woman's place in society. Kudos to you for not getting huffy about it though, most people just can't talk about it.
Steve
05-25-2007, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MtnRacer' post='873042' date='May 25 2007, 09:08 AM
I do have one major problem with the bible and that is that the bible explicitly bans sodomy and I love sodomizing, so I was destined never to make it in the christian religion.
Steve
christ! i'm gonna start locking MY door