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09-06-2005, 04:47 PM
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BTW in the US if you are caught using it you can get in a lot of trouble, we used to use the kerosean (jet fuel) in our diesel tugs which apparently the EPA doesn't like, the fine to our company was something like $30,000.
09-06-2005, 04:48 PM
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Varies across the small airports in town...
3.00, 3.20, and 3.28 per gallon depending on where you go.
Its great if you dont have cats and dont mind swapping out your O2 sensor periodically....How often should we swap them out tho? I guess once we start idling funky....Can you tell by visual inspection when the O2 sensor is fooked?
[quote name='phinsup' date='Sep 6 2005, 01:47 PM']BTW in the US if you are caught using it you can get in a lot of trouble, we used to use the kerosean (jet fuel) in our diesel tugs which apparently the EPA doesn't like, the fine to our company was something like $30,000.
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True, you can't just fill up your car at the airport...have to tote it away in containers...If they ask what it's for, just say engine testing.
3.00, 3.20, and 3.28 per gallon depending on where you go.
Its great if you dont have cats and dont mind swapping out your O2 sensor periodically....How often should we swap them out tho? I guess once we start idling funky....Can you tell by visual inspection when the O2 sensor is fooked?
[quote name='phinsup' date='Sep 6 2005, 01:47 PM']BTW in the US if you are caught using it you can get in a lot of trouble, we used to use the kerosean (jet fuel) in our diesel tugs which apparently the EPA doesn't like, the fine to our company was something like $30,000.
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True, you can't just fill up your car at the airport...have to tote it away in containers...If they ask what it's for, just say engine testing.
09-06-2005, 04:55 PM
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[quote name='ApneaBlue' date='Sep 6 2005, 05:48 PM']Varies across the small airports in town...
3.00, 3.20, and 3.28 per gallon depending on where you go.
Its great if you dont have cats and dont mind swapping out your O2 sensor periodically....How often should we swap them out tho? I guess once we start idling funky....Can you tell by visual inspection when the O2 sensor is fooked?
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Yea there will be white deposits that almost look like a white solder on the o2 sensor.
I should also ad for anyone out there with a new car under warranty, if they notice this on your o2 sensor they can void your warranty.
And another thing, it's been argued pretty heavily in other countries that the additives they add to unleaded gasoline are just as harmful to the environment as the lead is/was.
I've also seen it foul spark plugs with the same type of deposits that are left on the cat, at the time I wasn't driving a rotary but I guess those deposits could be a little more troublesome to the apex seals.
However it rocks for 2 strokes, very nice for your lawnmower, weed wackers, etc, etc... that's usually what I used it in as I got a bit timid with taking it home after the company got hit with a fine for the jet A use.
3.00, 3.20, and 3.28 per gallon depending on where you go.
Its great if you dont have cats and dont mind swapping out your O2 sensor periodically....How often should we swap them out tho? I guess once we start idling funky....Can you tell by visual inspection when the O2 sensor is fooked?
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Yea there will be white deposits that almost look like a white solder on the o2 sensor.
I should also ad for anyone out there with a new car under warranty, if they notice this on your o2 sensor they can void your warranty.
And another thing, it's been argued pretty heavily in other countries that the additives they add to unleaded gasoline are just as harmful to the environment as the lead is/was.
I've also seen it foul spark plugs with the same type of deposits that are left on the cat, at the time I wasn't driving a rotary but I guess those deposits could be a little more troublesome to the apex seals.
However it rocks for 2 strokes, very nice for your lawnmower, weed wackers, etc, etc... that's usually what I used it in as I got a bit timid with taking it home after the company got hit with a fine for the jet A use.
09-06-2005, 04:57 PM
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[quote name='ApneaBlue' date='Sep 6 2005, 05:48 PM']True, you can't just fill up your car at the airport...have to tote it away in containers...If they ask what it's for, just say engine testing.
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Yea going that route you won't have any issues, they aren't going to follow you home and see what you put it in. The responsibility in that case will probably fall on the gas station staff/owner/operator. Somewhat like filling a 2 quart milk bottle with gas, the cops won't bust you, but they will bust the gas station dude.
If you are a fuel jockey and you get caught using it in your car you could prolly get in trouble.
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Yea going that route you won't have any issues, they aren't going to follow you home and see what you put it in. The responsibility in that case will probably fall on the gas station staff/owner/operator. Somewhat like filling a 2 quart milk bottle with gas, the cops won't bust you, but they will bust the gas station dude.
If you are a fuel jockey and you get caught using it in your car you could prolly get in trouble.
09-06-2005, 05:17 PM
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[quote name='phinsup' date='Sep 6 2005, 09:55 PM']However it rocks for 2 strokes, very nice for your lawnmower, weed wackers, etc, etc... that's usually what I used it in as I got a bit timid with taking it home after the company got hit with a fine for the jet A use.
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Yeah I use VP C16 in my lawnmover, weedwacker, clainsaw and soon to try it out in my tiller and chipper when I get them in the next couple weeks. It also really works well in our pocket bikes
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Yeah I use VP C16 in my lawnmover, weedwacker, clainsaw and soon to try it out in my tiller and chipper when I get them in the next couple weeks. It also really works well in our pocket bikes
09-06-2005, 05:24 PM
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2.6 ml of lead per gallon, compared to 4ml per gallon of regular leaded fuel. Also has a bromide agent which gets rid of any deposits on spark plugs, ect... The lead is an anti-detonative material as well and is used in rotary airplanes with great success.
09-06-2005, 06:30 PM
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[quote name='94touring' date='Sep 6 2005, 06:24 PM']2.6 ml of lead per gallon, compared to 4ml per gallon of regular leaded fuel. Also has a bromide agent which gets rid of any deposits on spark plugs, ect... The lead is an anti-detonative material as well and is used in rotary airplanes with great success.
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I am not quite sure where you get that info, but 100 LL last I checked had about 2 grams per gallon.
This is the info I got from the EPA's website regarding auto gas.
By the time leaded gas was phased out avgas contained and still does today as far as I know more then 3 times the amount of lead as the leaded auto fuels.
Source of EPA info: http://www.epa.gov/history/topics/lead/03.htm
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I am not quite sure where you get that info, but 100 LL last I checked had about 2 grams per gallon.
This is the info I got from the EPA's website regarding auto gas.
The new regulations restrict the average lead content, measured quarterly, in all grades of gasoline produced by any refinery to 1.7 grams per gallon (gpg) by July 1, 1975, 1.2 grams per gallon by July 1, 1976, 0.9 grams per gallon by July 1, 1977, and 0.6 grams per gallon by July 1, 1978.
By the time leaded gas was phased out avgas contained and still does today as far as I know more then 3 times the amount of lead as the leaded auto fuels.
Source of EPA info: http://www.epa.gov/history/topics/lead/03.htm
09-06-2005, 06:32 PM
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Also here are some interesting links you may want to read about fuels, av gas, hi performance fuels, etc...
http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000Q...s-gasoline.htm
http://www.cs.uu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/autos...oline-faq/.html
http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000Q...s-gasoline.htm
http://www.cs.uu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/autos...oline-faq/.html
09-06-2005, 07:19 PM
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[quote name='94touring' date='Sep 6 2005, 08:11 PM']I got my info from the advanced systems book for professional pilots.
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Hmm, well we always used to say pilots should stick to the cockpit and what's in front of them
I am sure the EPA is wrong then what do they know, anyhow what would I know I am just work on the ******* I don't fly them.
BTW, all of my A&P books stated that Low Lead was about half of the old regular leaded and that was still more then double the auto gas lead content.
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Hmm, well we always used to say pilots should stick to the cockpit and what's in front of them
I am sure the EPA is wrong then what do they know, anyhow what would I know I am just work on the ******* I don't fly them.
BTW, all of my A&P books stated that Low Lead was about half of the old regular leaded and that was still more then double the auto gas lead content.