Just burn all your criminals with flamethrowers.

[quote name='Cheesy' date='Jul 20 2005, 01:48 PM']In New Zealand you have to go through background checks as well, semi auto weapons are limited to a 7 rnd mag capacity and no pistol grip or flash suppresor etc ie arent allowed to look like a military weapon. Pistols need a special licence and cant be carried around.


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Just not being able to carry around guns and having a background check makes a shitload of difference. It shows that you are serious about gun control rather than have them almost free traded around as long as you have the money to buy them.

shoot em up boys

[quote name='yayer' date='Jul 20 2005, 05:41 PM']7 + 1


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So, in other words...8



LOL why do they say that? I used to know (I think...) heh

[quote name='sweet7' date='Jul 20 2005, 01:47 PM']Yayer, thats a very nice capacity indeed. What did it cost you?


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$580 before the sight.





For more information on FNH and their weapons take a look at http://www.fnherstal.com I'm sure your department could source it for you.



I personally recommend the FiveSeven pistol for LE. It's kevlar-penatrting rounds up to 200yds are effective for offenders equipped with vests or helmets.

[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='Jul 20 2005, 02:01 PM']So, in other words...8



LOL why do they say that? I used to know (I think...) heh


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The +1 is in the chamber.

[quote name='yayer' date='Jul 20 2005, 02:02 PM']$580 before the sight.

For more information on FNH and their weapons take a look at http://www.fnherstal.com I'm sure your department could source it for you.



I personally recommend the FiveSeven pistol for LE. It's kevlar-penatrting rounds up to 200yds are effective for offenders equipped with vests or helmets.


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I'm military not law-enforcement. And yeah FiveSeven is pretty sweet. Its named that because of the 5.7mm cartiage it fires. Made be Fabrique Nationale if I remember right. Same round as what the P90 fires.

Oh my mistake.



Yeah FN is a member of the Herstal group, along with Browning and Winchester. They also make the MAG (M240) and Minimi (M249 SAW).



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[quote name='defprun' date='Jul 20 2005, 02:07 PM']Here's what i think of guns:



Carry a gun that isnt for those reasons it should be banned. Anything that is absolute overkill for what you are using it for should not be allowed. Any type of high-powered automatic or subautomatic rifle should be banned. Theres no reason for them and they are not designed for the above reasons. They are WAR weapons. They should not be in our homes. Anyone who carries a WAR weapon should be fighting a war or training for said war and not firing off rounds in his backyard while sitting in his wave pool drinking a budweiser.



Keep the peaceful world peaceful.


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Heres what I think:



You are a ******* fag. If I clear the mandatory federal background check, have the proper permit from the local authorities, and can afford it why shouldn't I be able to have it? I'm not a goddamn criminal, I enjoy shooting guns of all kinds.





[quote name='defprun' date='Jul 20 2005, 02:40 PM']Yeah 'other' doesnt really justify there being assault rifles on the street, no matter their classification for me. If they dont have to be there, why sell them?



The only reason it would have any bearing with an american or otherwise would be because of a patriotic need or want for these weapons or simply because they are "allowed" by the constitution.



I say suck it up and make the streets just a little safer. Being more strict on gun laws. And definately all you guys need is a more efficient way of bringing guns to the people. All it really is, is: Factory, gunstore, person. All you need is a forth semi-strict control law. A license perhaps. One that would truly train someone in gun control, and weed out those who might use it for another purpose. Make it so not just any schmoe off the street can buy a gun. Background checks have to be a must.



And again, eliminating higher powered weapons that may not just be used for "keeping your home safe".



Its not a solution to the problem, nothing ever is. It is just training people to know that guns are not a toy and it takes a responsible individual to use one.


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The guns are always going to be on the street. All the ******* criminals are going to get them reguardless of laws and restrictions. I ordered my MAK-90, when it arrived I filled out the federal and state paperwork. Waited 10 days for paperwork/waiting period. Then I could get my gun. If thats not gun control then I don't know what is.



I do agree that not all people should have guns. You should need a background check and some sort of training, but thats where it should stop.





[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='Jul 20 2005, 03:14 PM']BUT, most guns used by crooks are stolen in the first place (who cares what you need to do to get it legally!) and are normal handguns, not super assault mega rifle machine gun T1000's.




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Exactly....

[quote name='TYSON' date='Jul 20 2005, 04:30 PM']Believe me, we're happy we don't have your crime rates, and that we don't feel the need to barricade ourselves in our homes at night. What a funny coincidence.



PS: I own guns and have used them all my life. Why you people insist on allowing ANYONE to get them is beyond my imagination.


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The crime rate in states where it is legal to carry a consealed handgun( with proper permit, which requires training and range time) went DOWN. Let me repeat that...DOWN.



Again, I'm not saying anyone should own firearms but most of the laws here(Maryland specifically) are ******* rediculous. Me, as a law abiding citizen, with my handgun/restricted weapons permit still has to jump through hoops to get certain things.

[quote name='sweet7' date='Jul 20 2005, 04:43 PM']As far as assult rifles go, they are my bread and butter. I have one one of them strapped to my body for 18+hours a day. I own them because I enjoy shooting for sport and for nothing more than nostalgia reasons. Other than for shits and giggles, sure an assault rifle is useless. That dosent mean you shouldnt be able to own them.....


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**** yeah. What do you use daily? Any more pics?



I'm looking into a M4 based setup. Something with a 16" barrel, eotech or aimpoint red dot type sight, collapsable stock, etc...

Some of you guys kill your own argument.



If YOU don't have a gun laying on your night table, how could a criminal get these stolen guns he uses to commit all his crimes?



How are they going to get them if they aren't there? Some of you need to spend some time in Detroit or your other 'Beacons of Freedom'.





If carrying a gun means lower crime I guess that means we're all carrying M16s up here.

[quote name='TYSON' date='Jul 20 2005, 08:13 PM']Some of you guys kill your own argument.



If YOU don't have a gun laying on your night table, how could a criminal get these stolen guns he uses to commit all his crimes?




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My guns are securely locked away.

I have https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...O_DIR#>/ar.gif



4 AR-15's

1 SKS

1 Mosberg police tactical 12guage

1 AR-15 lower with a .22cal upper

1 Calico .22

1 PT99 9mm hand gun

1 Sig P230 hand gun

2 Ruger .22 hand guns



I qualified expert at every range I ever attended in my 14 years of military service and I love guns.



As for those that hate guns you don't deserve to live in a free country...



Criminals will always have guns and if they don't by some act of god then they will have knifes, bats, a steel pipe, spiked clubs, cross bows etc.... The human body is weak and just about anything out there can kill you when used with force. Human DNA is written for violence, we are preditors by nature and there will always be crime and war. Go back a few thousand years before guns were even invented and we still did a damn good job of killing each other. We did it then, we do it now and we will do it until the end of our time. It's only the method of doing it that will change.

I don't hate guns, I just think they should be treated like the weapons they are. In fairness, to me it sounds like most if not all of the fanatics on here are well able to handle a gun, and take good measures to make sure they don't get in the wrong hands. But from the little I have seen, not all gun-owning Americans are this responsible - which IMO is the problem.



Mark

Dragon: How do you like your SKS?

My screen name refers to a 20 Ga 18" Mossburg pump with a stream light and a laser sight.

It's cheap & crude, but effective.

If I have to use it, I won't miss.



When I carry, it's a Walther PPKS. Not much power, but very accurate.

[quote name='sureshot' date='Jul 21 2005, 09:26 AM']When I carry, it's a Walther PPKS. Not much power, but very accurate.


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That's what counts anyway. The 'stopping power' of pistols is overrated.

[quote name='yayer' date='Jul 22 2005, 03:04 AM']Dragon: How do you like your SKS?


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I have chinese one of these (mag cut down to 6 rounds) it is surprisingly accurate with the cheap military ammo, its great for wallaby shooting and a bit of deer shooting, both of which are considered pests here. On the controll/crime argument I have a feeling that we have more guns per capita than the US not 100% on that though, and there is very little gun related crime, the gun related crime does seem to be going up at the moment though with drug related stuff

[quote name='Cheesy' date='Jul 21 2005, 01:03 PM']I have chinese one of these (mag cut down to 6 rounds) it is surprisingly accurate with the cheap military ammo,


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The surplus Russian ammo is as good as anything you can put through it plus it's as cheap as dirt.

[quote name='yayer' date='Jul 21 2005, 07:04 AM']Dragon: How do you like your SKS?


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Compared to my AR-15's the accuracy sucks on the SKS. I upgraded mine with a polimer stock, scope mount and a short 4x32mm scope so it doesn't interfere with the loading and extraction of rounds. Rounds for it are cheap and it makes a loud ass bang so it's fun to play with, but I don't think I'd use it for any kind of hunting out past 100 meters...

"when guns are outlawed...only outlaws will have guns"

[quote name='Dragon' date='Jul 21 2005, 09:03 AM']I have https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...O_DIR#>/ar.gif



4 AR-15's

1 SKS

1 Mosberg police tactical 12guage

1 AR-15 lower with a .22cal upper

1 Calico .22

1 PT99 9mm hand gun

1 Sig P230 hand gun

2 Ruger .22 hand guns



I qualified expert at every range I ever attended in my 14 years of military service and I love guns.



As for those that hate guns you don't deserve to live in a free country...



Criminals will always have guns and if they don't by some act of god then they will have knifes, bats, a steel pipe, spiked clubs, cross bows etc.... The human body is weak and just about anything out there can kill you when used with force. Human DNA is written for violence, we are preditors by nature and there will always be crime and war. Go back a few thousand years before guns were even invented and we still did a damn good job of killing each other. We did it then, we do it now and we will do it until the end of our time. It's only the method of doing it that will change.


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How can you have that stuff in japan? Or do you have them from your military service? I thought japan was really strict about guns.

[quote name='93 R1' date='Jul 22 2005, 04:38 AM']How can you have that stuff in japan? Or do you have them from your military service? I thought japan was really strict about guns.


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Can't have any guns here in Japan so they are all stored in 2 gun safes at my mommy's house back in the USA... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/happy.png



here's a few sucky pic's....

Thats a kickass collection there Dragon!

Hell yeah. I'm looking to get/build something along the lines of the 2nd one in from the left in the first pic.

[quote name='defprun' date='Jul 20 2005, 12:07 PM']Here's what i think of guns:



Carry a gun, shoot skeet.



Carry a gun, hunt animals (for sport for food, whatever)



Carry a gun that isnt for those reasons it should be banned. Anything that is absolute overkill for what you are using it for should not be allowed. Any type of high-powered automatic or subautomatic rifle should be banned. Theres no reason for them and they are not designed for the above reasons. They are WAR weapons. They should not be in our homes. Anyone who carries a WAR weapon should be fighting a war or training for said war and not firing off rounds in his backyard while sitting in his wave pool drinking a budweiser.



Keep the peaceful world peaceful.


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Uh oh better get rid of any shotgun produced in the last 20 years. I mean anyone with half a bit of knowledge can remove the plug, load it with 10 or so shells of buckshot and proceed to kill a whole lot of people in a short amount of time.



Hrmm. Better get rid of the ruger 10/22 as well. 22 is a wimpy caliber but with a nice bannana clip on it I can hold 200+ rounds and mow down most anything that isn't really heavily armoured.



You know 10 shots in a .45 is pretty overkill too. I mean really if you miss the first time on your target you can always reload, no need for those extra shots. Especially considering that if someone is skilled with a gun they can take out 10 plus people. 10! Too many!



Come to think of it, 6 shots in a pistol might be too much. Speedloaders and all that.



And you know, magnum calibers just pack too much punch. You don't REALLY need that extra carry that a .44 mag gives you or a .357. Stick with the .38 special that's all that's needed. You REALLY don't need that .50!



Big game hunters can do just fine with a 308 and good accuracy. Maybe a special license for the big Wetherby calibers.



You know come to think of it the only gun that should be legal is a single shot .22 short. And a single shot 308 or 30/06. Don't hunt dangerous game. Yeah that's the ticket!



Thanks for clearing that up!



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Im with Rotarydragon, guns are the spawn of Satan...

[quote name='TYSON' date='Jul 20 2005, 06:13 PM']Some of you guys kill your own argument.



If YOU don't have a gun laying on your night table, how could a criminal get these stolen guns he uses to commit all his crimes?



How are they going to get them if they aren't there? Some of you need to spend some time in Detroit or your other 'Beacons of Freedom'.

If carrying a gun means lower crime I guess that means we're all carrying M16s up here.


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Criminals are like ****. Guns are like flies.



Flies are attracted to ****. Guns are attracted to criminals.



It's really really hard to kill all the flies in the world. However it's fairly easy to clean up the ****.



Get the point?



If you're going to use your logic anything that can be misused should be banned, that includes beer.

Careful with that BB gun Johnny, yer gonna shoot yer eye out! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

This thread has got me thinking that there are a lot of things besides guns that really NEED to be banned. Dangerous things, that could harm their users or others. Things like:



Knives

Cars

Bowling balls

Power tools

Glass bottles

Sleeping pills

Rottweilers

Baseball bats

Golf spikes

Hamburgers

Parachutes



We really need to protect everyone by eliminating dangerous things from our world, and we can easily do this. We just need to ban everything! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif

Anti gun people piss me off. Sometimes I wish it was manditory for everyone out of high school to spend at least 2 years in the armed forces just to learn what being an american is all about. That and maybe a little trigger time would help people relax and not be so afraid of a firearm. I think people are mostly agaisnt them because they've never seen a need for them, much less used one.



As for me, I carry just about every day (legally armed). I'm at the range at least every other week. It's my only hobby that takes more time than my rx-7, so says my wife. I haven't counted lately but I own somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 firearms. Most of which are locked up. I'm also a lifetime member of the NRA. So you could say I'm a supporter.

im looking to buy a nice killing stick

[quote name='CletusFD3S' date='Jul 22 2005, 04:24 PM']im looking to buy a nice killing stick


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Hickory makes a good stick. White ash is pretty good too.

[quote name='93 R1' date='Jul 22 2005, 11:30 AM']Hell yeah. I'm looking to get/build something along the lines of the 2nd one in from the left in the first pic.


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https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/cool.png That be my favorite as well, it's got almost as much tweaking as my cars..

Lol. I just finished cleaning my 5 round .38 special snub nose revolver. I like this thread.





I need a banana clip for mine. My biggest clip is a 25 round https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif and it quit working for some unknown reason...

[quote name='1988RedT2' date='Jul 22 2005, 03:50 PM']This thread has got me thinking that there are a lot of things besides guns that really NEED to be banned. Dangerous things, that could harm their users or others. Things like:



Knives

Cars

Bowling balls

Power tools

Glass bottles

Sleeping pills

Rottweilers

Baseball bats

Golf spikes

Hamburgers

Parachutes



We really need to protect everyone by eliminating dangerous things from our world, and we can easily do this. We just need to ban everything! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif


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Please point out which one of these awful items' https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif sole purpose is to kill people or practice killing people.



And don't try to tell me you can use a 9mm or a 5.56mm FMJ round to hunt.



Then go tell the kid locked in the Lexan box at a 24hr gas station that he lives in freedom.



https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

He had the freedom to find a different job. or not take a job at all, or get a better education and get a better job. or a million other choices. No one forced him in there.



And my .38 serves the exact same purposes as my .357 lapd revolver. To kill someone who is attempting to kill me or take that which is mine. And I won't stall for a second when I need to use either. or both if the SOB is unlucky.



I also use them for entertainment. I enjoy throwing a 5 gallon bucket out and seeing how many holes I can put in it before it hits the ground. Or seeing just how far I can walk away from it and still hit it on the first shot. Its getting to be pretty damn far for a revolver. (for the 357 that is. the snub nose 38 is worthless beyond 50 yards)



My 10/22 is for whatever the hell i want it to be for. Mostly either small game hunting or for target practice.

Here you can do that job without the bullet proof glass. If he can't safely do that job without bulletproof glass, how can you in good conscience allow your wife or kids fill up with gas there? Freedom is being able to safely go anywhere you want, at any time you feel like.



Laws in USA, Canada and European countries are all based off the same model, other than the gun thing, perhaps someone could share why there is a massive difference in crime rate?



Obviously a couple of you did not read the thread. Like I said earlier, I am a bit of a gun buff myself. I grew up on a farm, and I've been shooting since I was very young. If I hadn't moved to the city I'd probably have built a target rifle instead of my car.



HOWEVER, I have a real problem with people who think EVERYONE has the right to own a handgun (there is a BIG ******* difference between a target pistol and a Beretta 92!!) or an AR-15 (oh wow, that took HOW LONG to modify it for full auto?) My best friend was nearly shot a few weeks ago. She works as a bartender. It was URBAN NIGHT and a guy got shot 20 feet behind her bar. If they had not hit him with every shot, she would have been hit. He was NOT shot with a 30-30 Winchester, or hit with a bowling ball. WTF does that have to do with YOUR supposed RIGHT to own a gun? Guns used for crime here (there aren't many YET) are purchased easily in the US and smuggled here.



'But I filled out a form and waited a grueling 10 days' BIG ******* DEAL! Timothy McVeigh likely filled out the exact form, and looks exactly the same as you on that form. If you decide to sell your gun cause you need some cash, did the guy you sold it to fill out the forms? OF COURSE NOT!!



I feel sorry for the police down there, I really do. I've been pulled over here at all hours of the night. I have NEVER seen a police officer lay a hand on their gun while approaching my car. Do you think they do it there for the fun of it?

I'm definately with Tyson on this, guns are ment to be used for food and survival from food that can eat you ie bear, damn yoggy. guns are used on farms to protect livestock, and to kill things so you can eat them, or put them out of their missery. i also have been pulled over MANY TIMES and never have i seen the gun drawn, or hand near the gun, maybe because i am curtious and pull into a well lit area so the officer feels more comfortable i donno, but it works. your gun laws, or lack there of suck.

The anti-gun arguement, no matter how well intentioned presents an impossible solution.



1. Very few people should be allowed to own guns, but not people who could possibly someday use them to hurt people. Ok, here's the thing. People who break laws with guns will have no problems breaking laws to GET guns. So making guns nearly impossible to get will only make it easier forcrimes to be comitted, because the criminal will know that 99% of people they might want to rape/rob/highjack/kill won't be armed. It'll be a free for all.



2. Well, you don't really have a viable second option. We could melt all guns and build one big ass flower sculpture. But then a bird might conk his head flying into it and you'll all be crying about the "killer flower" with no other purpose but to hurt widdle birdies.



3. Mob movies would suck without guns. You would essentially be killing Martin Scorsese. How would you feel then, huh?