Getting Ready To Blow Some **** Up...
08-10-2003, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dysfnctnl85' date='Aug 10 2003, 06:16 PM
Hey! (In Cartman voice)
SHUT IT.
LOL.
Mine's growing...
SHUT IT.
LOL.
Mine's growing...
08-10-2003, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Srce' date='Aug 10 2003, 07:16 PM
To be honest, I'm not a big fan of huge bass, I just need a nice sub to complement the higher range sound. Bass hurts my tummy.
Comon San, tell me about watts and power, I'm dying to learn.
Comon San, tell me about watts and power, I'm dying to learn.
Whaaaaaatt?
I'll just pretend that you didn't say that about bass...
08-10-2003, 06:26 PM
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I have to agree louder is not nessacerily better.
You'll find that better quality hi-fi gear runs at lower power levels then manufacturers that sell their product on power output alone.
You need to look at speaker resistance (ohms - the lower the better) sensitivity (db - the higher the better). Dont get speakers that are 1000w and power them with a amp that is 500w, this will underdrive your speakers and make your amp work too hard possibly making it fizzle and pop. your better off getting 500w speakers and using a 1000w amp this way your getting the maximum effect out of your speakers and giving your amp plenty of head room to work with by not having to turn it all the way up. People often get these around the wrong way.
If your turning your volume dial past half way you need a bigger amp.
All IMHO.
You'll find that better quality hi-fi gear runs at lower power levels then manufacturers that sell their product on power output alone.
You need to look at speaker resistance (ohms - the lower the better) sensitivity (db - the higher the better). Dont get speakers that are 1000w and power them with a amp that is 500w, this will underdrive your speakers and make your amp work too hard possibly making it fizzle and pop. your better off getting 500w speakers and using a 1000w amp this way your getting the maximum effect out of your speakers and giving your amp plenty of head room to work with by not having to turn it all the way up. People often get these around the wrong way.
If your turning your volume dial past half way you need a bigger amp.
All IMHO.
08-10-2003, 06:30 PM
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I completely understand what you're saying.
My sub is 4800 watts max, but it's most efficient in a 3 cubic foot sealed box with about 800-900 watts, which is what I'm giving it.
Adire Audio knows their ****. I will eventually buy drivers from them to make my own 5.1 setup.
I was going to suggest to Damir to look there, my bro (not like 2Fast, 2Furious, but my actual blood brother, LOL) got a 15" for $159, it sounds really nice and is most efficient with 300-400 watts. It can be used in car or home audio applications.
Adire Audio
My sub is 4800 watts max, but it's most efficient in a 3 cubic foot sealed box with about 800-900 watts, which is what I'm giving it.
Adire Audio knows their ****. I will eventually buy drivers from them to make my own 5.1 setup.
I was going to suggest to Damir to look there, my bro (not like 2Fast, 2Furious, but my actual blood brother, LOL) got a 15" for $159, it sounds really nice and is most efficient with 300-400 watts. It can be used in car or home audio applications.
Adire Audio
08-10-2003, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Srce' date='Aug 10 2003, 05:09 PM
[quote name='Digisan' date='Aug 10 2003, 06:07 PM'] [quote name='Srce' date='Aug 10 2003, 11:29 AM'] Well, I'm letting you guys know that I'm getting a few things at this time in upgrading my Home Theater System. Why, I just thought you'd like to hear this, and I need a new system LOL.
Currently, I have about 250 watts coming from a 5.1 Surround Sound speaker collage running both my stereo, DVD, TV, PS2, and my PC (Laptop, not the Desktop).
It seems to me that I need slightly more power and clearity so I'm upgrading everything. I used have a few more speakers and subs a month ago but I gave those up in order to offset the cost ofthe new tech loaded ****. With the old setup, I used to put out about 600 watts of mostly distortion free music, yep, mostly becase when cranked up all the way the sound would fade a bit.
Now this is the new setup focusing primarily on the Laptop. I'm getting an external sound card with a remote capable of handling insane amounts of power (Upwards of 1000 watts depending on the number of speakers and their total RMS output). On top of the new card, I'm gonna get anotehr 5.1 Surround Speaker Set capable of 700 watts of total RMS power. In the end, I'm going to hook everything up to the Laptop's sound card so that I'll be able to run the TV, DVD Player, and the PS2 with ONE device instead of 2 or 3.
I'm giving my old stuff to my sister since it's not that complicated (she hates complicated ****) and I'm building her a new Desktop anyways. So, all in all, Srce will be terrorizing the hood once again with insane music coming through a dope system, and loud as well.
Currently, I have about 250 watts coming from a 5.1 Surround Sound speaker collage running both my stereo, DVD, TV, PS2, and my PC (Laptop, not the Desktop).
It seems to me that I need slightly more power and clearity so I'm upgrading everything. I used have a few more speakers and subs a month ago but I gave those up in order to offset the cost ofthe new tech loaded ****. With the old setup, I used to put out about 600 watts of mostly distortion free music, yep, mostly becase when cranked up all the way the sound would fade a bit.
Now this is the new setup focusing primarily on the Laptop. I'm getting an external sound card with a remote capable of handling insane amounts of power (Upwards of 1000 watts depending on the number of speakers and their total RMS output). On top of the new card, I'm gonna get anotehr 5.1 Surround Speaker Set capable of 700 watts of total RMS power. In the end, I'm going to hook everything up to the Laptop's sound card so that I'll be able to run the TV, DVD Player, and the PS2 with ONE device instead of 2 or 3.
I'm giving my old stuff to my sister since it's not that complicated (she hates complicated ****) and I'm building her a new Desktop anyways. So, all in all, Srce will be terrorizing the hood once again with insane music coming through a dope system, and loud as well.
Watts do not equal loudness or accuracy.
D-san (nopistons audiophile) [/quote]
What do they equal then? ****, I just know that more is louder!!! [/quote]
The problem with using wattage as a measure of power for an amplifier is that there is not a distorsion standard used by the industry. Example: I have an old Harmon Citation II (circa early 60's) tube amp, it puts out about 70W per channel running KT90 tubes. Now, if I compare that to my Onkyo Grand Integra stereo amp that is rated at about 565 watts, percieved power output to me ears is very close between the two. The reason is that when a tube amp distorts it primarily generates 2nd order harmonic distorsion and a transitor amp generates 3rd order harmonic distorsion. 2nd order harmonics are pleasing to our ears, 3rd order is not. 3rd order harmonics make the music sound cold and harsh. Most consumer amps generate a lot of 3rd order harmonics. Consumer amps that are rated at ridiculous wattages can usually put that power out (only if it's for a millisecond at high distorsion, literally), but at what cost? There are alot of nice sounding, inexpensive, systems out there, but you can't buy them at Best Buy.
D-san
08-10-2003, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Battyboy' date='Aug 10 2003, 06:26 PM
I have to agree louder is not nessacerily better.
You'll find that better quality hi-fi gear runs at lower power levels then manufacturers that sell their product on power output alone.
You need to look at speaker resistance (ohms - the lower the better) sensitivity (db - the higher the better). Dont get speakers that are 1000w and power them with a amp that is 500w, this will underdrive your speakers and make your amp work too hard possibly making it fizzle and pop. your better off getting 500w speakers and using a 1000w amp this way your getting the maximum effect out of your speakers and giving your amp plenty of head room to work with by not having to turn it all the way up. People often get these around the wrong way.
If your turning your volume dial past half way you need a bigger amp.
All IMHO.
You'll find that better quality hi-fi gear runs at lower power levels then manufacturers that sell their product on power output alone.
You need to look at speaker resistance (ohms - the lower the better) sensitivity (db - the higher the better). Dont get speakers that are 1000w and power them with a amp that is 500w, this will underdrive your speakers and make your amp work too hard possibly making it fizzle and pop. your better off getting 500w speakers and using a 1000w amp this way your getting the maximum effect out of your speakers and giving your amp plenty of head room to work with by not having to turn it all the way up. People often get these around the wrong way.
If your turning your volume dial past half way you need a bigger amp.
All IMHO.
KLH
08-10-2003, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Digisan' date='Aug 10 2003, 06:31 PM
[quote name='Srce' date='Aug 10 2003, 05:09 PM'] [quote name='Digisan' date='Aug 10 2003, 06:07 PM'] [quote name='Srce' date='Aug 10 2003, 11:29 AM'] Well, I'm letting you guys know that I'm getting a few things at this time in upgrading my Home Theater System. Why, I just thought you'd like to hear this, and I need a new system LOL.
Currently, I have about 250 watts coming from a 5.1 Surround Sound speaker collage running both my stereo, DVD, TV, PS2, and my PC (Laptop, not the Desktop).
It seems to me that I need slightly more power and clearity so I'm upgrading everything. I used have a few more speakers and subs a month ago but I gave those up in order to offset the cost ofthe new tech loaded ****. With the old setup, I used to put out about 600 watts of mostly distortion free music, yep, mostly becase when cranked up all the way the sound would fade a bit.
Now this is the new setup focusing primarily on the Laptop. I'm getting an external sound card with a remote capable of handling insane amounts of power (Upwards of 1000 watts depending on the number of speakers and their total RMS output). On top of the new card, I'm gonna get anotehr 5.1 Surround Speaker Set capable of 700 watts of total RMS power. In the end, I'm going to hook everything up to the Laptop's sound card so that I'll be able to run the TV, DVD Player, and the PS2 with ONE device instead of 2 or 3.
I'm giving my old stuff to my sister since it's not that complicated (she hates complicated ****) and I'm building her a new Desktop anyways. So, all in all, Srce will be terrorizing the hood once again with insane music coming through a dope system, and loud as well.
Currently, I have about 250 watts coming from a 5.1 Surround Sound speaker collage running both my stereo, DVD, TV, PS2, and my PC (Laptop, not the Desktop).
It seems to me that I need slightly more power and clearity so I'm upgrading everything. I used have a few more speakers and subs a month ago but I gave those up in order to offset the cost ofthe new tech loaded ****. With the old setup, I used to put out about 600 watts of mostly distortion free music, yep, mostly becase when cranked up all the way the sound would fade a bit.
Now this is the new setup focusing primarily on the Laptop. I'm getting an external sound card with a remote capable of handling insane amounts of power (Upwards of 1000 watts depending on the number of speakers and their total RMS output). On top of the new card, I'm gonna get anotehr 5.1 Surround Speaker Set capable of 700 watts of total RMS power. In the end, I'm going to hook everything up to the Laptop's sound card so that I'll be able to run the TV, DVD Player, and the PS2 with ONE device instead of 2 or 3.
I'm giving my old stuff to my sister since it's not that complicated (she hates complicated ****) and I'm building her a new Desktop anyways. So, all in all, Srce will be terrorizing the hood once again with insane music coming through a dope system, and loud as well.
Watts do not equal loudness or accuracy.
D-san (nopistons audiophile) [/quote]
What do they equal then? ****, I just know that more is louder!!! [/quote]
The problem with using wattage as a measure of power for an amplifier is that there is not a distorsion standard used by the industry. Example: I have an old Harmon Citation II (circa early 60's) tube amp, it puts out about 70W per channel running KT90 tubes. Now, if I compare that to my Onkyo Grand Integra stereo amp that is rated at about 565 watts, percieved power output to me ears is very close between the two. The reason is that when a tube amp distorts it primarily generates 2nd order harmonic distorsion and a transitor amp generates 3rd order harmonic distorsion. 2nd order harmonics are pleasing to our ears, 3rd order is not. 3rd order harmonics make the music sound cold and harsh. Most consumer amps generate a lot of 3rd order harmonics. Consumer amps that are rated at ridiculous wattages can usually put that power out (only if it's for a millisecond at high distorsion, literally), but at what cost? There are alot of nice sounding, inexpensive, systems out there, but you can't buy them at Best Buy.
D-san [/quote]
Well, the bad thing about what you just said is that I didn't understand a single word of it. LOL
What's watts per channel, how does the channel thing work. Is there a website that can teach me about audio?
08-10-2003, 06:43 PM
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Another point of note. Lets compare two systems that are exactly the same except the one amplifier has more power than the other. Lets say one is a 100W amp and the other is a 600W amp. Now, our ears perceive about every 10dB of power as a doubling in loudness, depending on frequency and the loudness that we start with, but we will ignore that for simplicity. So, how much louder can a 600W amp get compared to a 100W amp?
Formula: 10log(amp(a)/amp(b))
10log6= 7.78dB, not quite a doubling in perceved loudness, but 6X the power.
D-san
Formula: 10log(amp(a)/amp(b))
10log6= 7.78dB, not quite a doubling in perceved loudness, but 6X the power.
D-san