Gah! Concentration Camps
04-01-2004, 12:03 AM
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The treaty of versailles said that germany had to pay for the costs of the war, they started off paying it fine, then other countrys demanded that it be paid back faster. and at one point there was over 4 trillion dollars being printed daily. which then left the economy shitty so they all had to suffer through starvation to wait for it to last.
Thus hyperinflation. Have you read the treaty? The demands they made were insane.
and before he started making speeches in beer halls, he joined a right wing political group. And while there he killed off all of his political opposers. and after trying to take over the gov. like mussolini he was put into jail. and at the time of him writing Mein Kempf it was really a course of action that he was going to take once he was free.
He did not kill anybody just yet. he was still formulating the SA and gaining power. Have you read Mein Kempf?
The kaiser actually hated Hitler, but whoever's rank is one haigher than chancellor got the kaiser to approve of it. The person who was going to be appointed instead of hitler took a job away from his son earlier, and the guy wanted revenge so he convinced the kaiser that hitler should be allowed in since he lost the ellection earlier he thought he could keep him under control since his morale would have been crushed.
Yeah i know the kaiser Hated hitler. I'm sure theres much speculation to the reason Kaiser Wilhem (the third?) appointed hitler, but I know for a fact that one of his main reasons was to keep hitler in check. he was going to give hitler Vice chancellor, but hitler had a bitch fest, and instead of going against hitler, Wilhem just let him have his way.
And when the kaiser died he didnt give himself the title, it was given to him because he was the second highest ranked, much like president and vice president now.
Yeah, he named himself president
Basically everything you said is just going into more detail of what i said...I didnt want to get super detailed.
Many people think hitler had the parliment burnt down. He blamed it on dutch nationals, and used it to further his idea that forein invaders were destroying the fatherland.
04-01-2004, 12:36 AM
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you guys should look up pol pot.
quote from a time article (look up pol pot in google, the time article is right there)
drove an estimated 1.5 million Cambodians--or one in five--to their deaths from malnutrition, illness or overwork. At least 200,000 more were executed as enemies of the state. The ratio of deaths to population made the Cambodian revolution the most murderous in a century of revolutions.
1.5 million.
People freak the **** out over a few thousand dying when some terrorists fly planes into some buildings, many to the point of rationalizing a bogus international war, these people obviously have no perception of history or what real suffering is, myself included. I know very little history, and what I do know is current events against our country don't shine a light to many things in our worlds history that were dealt with in a more civilized manner than our current, supposedly civil, modern, advanced & educated society and government handles relatively minor issues.
Reading up on these things (history) is a good way to gain a more educated perspective, it comforts me to see a thread like this on what most people would in general expect to be a forum full of gear heads who could care less (yet perhaps still blindly participate in nationalism).
cheers.
quote from a time article (look up pol pot in google, the time article is right there)
drove an estimated 1.5 million Cambodians--or one in five--to their deaths from malnutrition, illness or overwork. At least 200,000 more were executed as enemies of the state. The ratio of deaths to population made the Cambodian revolution the most murderous in a century of revolutions.
1.5 million.
People freak the **** out over a few thousand dying when some terrorists fly planes into some buildings, many to the point of rationalizing a bogus international war, these people obviously have no perception of history or what real suffering is, myself included. I know very little history, and what I do know is current events against our country don't shine a light to many things in our worlds history that were dealt with in a more civilized manner than our current, supposedly civil, modern, advanced & educated society and government handles relatively minor issues.
Reading up on these things (history) is a good way to gain a more educated perspective, it comforts me to see a thread like this on what most people would in general expect to be a forum full of gear heads who could care less (yet perhaps still blindly participate in nationalism).
cheers.
04-01-2004, 06:37 AM
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Yeah, Peng, I couldn't have said it better... blind nationalism is scary **** and 911 certainly created a whole lot of it. I just hope that Mr. Bush's heart is in the right place. Having said that, and given the relatively small amount of lives lost when compared with other "atrocities" - whatever happened to turning the other cheek?
04-01-2004, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 1gendreemer' date='Apr 1 2004, 07:37 AM
Yeah, Peng, I couldn't have said it better... blind nationalism is scary **** and 911 certainly created a whole lot of it. I just hope that Mr. Bush's heart is in the right place. Having said that, and given the relatively small amount of lives lost when compared with other "atrocities" - whatever happened to turning the other cheek?
So do the times make the President, or does the President make the times?
Would FDR have been a good President if WWII hadn't happened?
04-01-2004, 11:16 AM
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rfreeman hit it right on the head of the nail with his history. Hitler was insane, but he was also a genious. Hitler wasn't lucky at all in getting power. He used a lot of underhanded techniques, such as ASSASSINATING people that opposed him or that were in higher rank.
I've also deeply researched Pol Pot and his Cambodian atrocities. As bad as the ***** were, you all should research Pol Pot and his Cambodian holocaust. He basically wanted to bring Cambodia even further into third world status. You should read some of those stories too... 1.5 million deaths is nothing to joke about.
Oh and Eric, wait till you get to the part in Night where the camp witnesses the boy being hung. You'll sit there in disbelief...
I've also deeply researched Pol Pot and his Cambodian atrocities. As bad as the ***** were, you all should research Pol Pot and his Cambodian holocaust. He basically wanted to bring Cambodia even further into third world status. You should read some of those stories too... 1.5 million deaths is nothing to joke about.
Oh and Eric, wait till you get to the part in Night where the camp witnesses the boy being hung. You'll sit there in disbelief...
04-01-2004, 12:14 PM
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Another thought:
Hitler was a great speaker, motivationalist, and leader. For instance, to get around only being allowed to have 150,000 soldiers in the military, he would only train 150,000 at a time. Once trained, they were "removed" from the military. Finally, when he was ready to attack, he reinlisted all of the "ex" soldiers. This way, he amassed one of the largest army regimes of all time.
However, one of his biggest faults were his lack of knowledge in military tactics and stuborness. He made a few military decisions against recommendation that, perhaps, changed the outcome of the war. German General Rommel was one of the most effective generals of all time. Hit and Run tactics led him to conquer nearly all of Northern Africa. When Hitler found out, he called Rommel a coward and told him to stop attacking the way he was. The next battle Rommel fought, and stayed instead of "hit and run," and LOST, helping to lead the Americans to reclaim Africa, thus leading to the attack on Normandy, etc...
Hitler was a great speaker, motivationalist, and leader. For instance, to get around only being allowed to have 150,000 soldiers in the military, he would only train 150,000 at a time. Once trained, they were "removed" from the military. Finally, when he was ready to attack, he reinlisted all of the "ex" soldiers. This way, he amassed one of the largest army regimes of all time.
However, one of his biggest faults were his lack of knowledge in military tactics and stuborness. He made a few military decisions against recommendation that, perhaps, changed the outcome of the war. German General Rommel was one of the most effective generals of all time. Hit and Run tactics led him to conquer nearly all of Northern Africa. When Hitler found out, he called Rommel a coward and told him to stop attacking the way he was. The next battle Rommel fought, and stayed instead of "hit and run," and LOST, helping to lead the Americans to reclaim Africa, thus leading to the attack on Normandy, etc...
04-01-2004, 03:42 PM
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I myself have been to Dachau, truly gripping. I was young, about 7 or 8, but I still remember it to this day. You could not spit on the ground, or say profane language.
The Holocaust museum is very real, and lifelike. They have all the shoes, suitcases, pictures, jewelry and other things left over from all the concentration camps and death camps.
There was concentration camps, then there was death camps. Death camps is a given, you go there to die. One is called Auschwitz. And then concentration camps, where they work you to death and starvation, if you don't work, they kill you.
Mein Kempf is an insane book, and be sure to check out the movie "Schindler's List". It will show you that there was a "good" **** out there, that cared for people. At least it seemed that way to me. Osker Schinlder made weaponry and ammunition for the ****'s. Truly horrifying movie, all in black and white, and made by Stephen Spielberg.
And watch the Band of Brothers series. There is one episode, near the end of the series, just truly shocking of what happened. They find a hidden camp, and there is tons of survivors, just scary stuff. Just watch it, you will like it.
And you think Pol Pot was bad, Hitler was worse. About 7 million Jews,Polish,and other German people killed??? I think Cambodia was more gruesome though, with heads on stakes surrounding the villages. Just ******* sick.
The Holocaust museum is very real, and lifelike. They have all the shoes, suitcases, pictures, jewelry and other things left over from all the concentration camps and death camps.
There was concentration camps, then there was death camps. Death camps is a given, you go there to die. One is called Auschwitz. And then concentration camps, where they work you to death and starvation, if you don't work, they kill you.
Mein Kempf is an insane book, and be sure to check out the movie "Schindler's List". It will show you that there was a "good" **** out there, that cared for people. At least it seemed that way to me. Osker Schinlder made weaponry and ammunition for the ****'s. Truly horrifying movie, all in black and white, and made by Stephen Spielberg.
And watch the Band of Brothers series. There is one episode, near the end of the series, just truly shocking of what happened. They find a hidden camp, and there is tons of survivors, just scary stuff. Just watch it, you will like it.
And you think Pol Pot was bad, Hitler was worse. About 7 million Jews,Polish,and other German people killed??? I think Cambodia was more gruesome though, with heads on stakes surrounding the villages. Just ******* sick.
04-01-2004, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RowTarEh?' date='Apr 1 2004, 05:42 PM
I myself have been to Dachau, truly gripping. I was young, about 7 or 8, but I still remember it to this day. You could not spit on the ground, or say profane language.
The Holocaust museum is very real, and lifelike. They have all the shoes, suitcases, pictures, jewelry and other things left over from all the concentration camps and death camps.
There was concentration camps, then there was death camps. Death camps is a given, you go there to die. One is called Auschwitz. And then concentration camps, where they work you to death and starvation, if you don't work, they kill you.
Mein Kempf is an insane book, and be sure to check out the movie "Schindler's List". It will show you that there was a "good" **** out there, that cared for people. At least it seemed that way to me. Osker Schinlder made weaponry and ammunition for the ****'s. Truly horrifying movie, all in black and white, and made by Stephen Spielberg.
And watch the Band of Brothers series. There is one episode, near the end of the series, just truly shocking of what happened. They find a hidden camp, and there is tons of survivors, just scary stuff. Just watch it, you will like it.
And you think Pol Pot was bad, Hitler was worse. About 7 million Jews,Polish,and other German people killed??? I think Cambodia was more gruesome though, with heads on stakes surrounding the villages. Just ******* sick.
The Holocaust museum is very real, and lifelike. They have all the shoes, suitcases, pictures, jewelry and other things left over from all the concentration camps and death camps.
There was concentration camps, then there was death camps. Death camps is a given, you go there to die. One is called Auschwitz. And then concentration camps, where they work you to death and starvation, if you don't work, they kill you.
Mein Kempf is an insane book, and be sure to check out the movie "Schindler's List". It will show you that there was a "good" **** out there, that cared for people. At least it seemed that way to me. Osker Schinlder made weaponry and ammunition for the ****'s. Truly horrifying movie, all in black and white, and made by Stephen Spielberg.
And watch the Band of Brothers series. There is one episode, near the end of the series, just truly shocking of what happened. They find a hidden camp, and there is tons of survivors, just scary stuff. Just watch it, you will like it.
And you think Pol Pot was bad, Hitler was worse. About 7 million Jews,Polish,and other German people killed??? I think Cambodia was more gruesome though, with heads on stakes surrounding the villages. Just ******* sick.