******* Terrorists
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From: Ireland
[quote name='sweet7' date='Jul 7 2005, 03:45 PM']And you guys are experts on middle-eastern culture, politics, and ideals. Therefore we should ask all of you how to de-escalate this?
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There would be a hell of a lot less to de-escalate if you hadn't gone to "war" over nothing. War is a last resort not a privilage - you certainly don't go to war on a whim and then change your mind as to what your cause is while people are dying on both sides for that very cause.
[quote name='sweet7' date='Jul 7 2005, 04:11 PM']The bad guys over here really trully hate YOU and the American way of life.
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If you were invading my country for no apparent reason I probably wouldn't be falling over myself to shake your hand either. I'm not one of these hippies that says wars should never happen, but for **** sake war's occur between countries, last time I checked there wasn't a country full of terrorists - and I have yet to hear any form of an explanation as to how you stage a war against terrorism, how exactly do you fight a war when the only time your enemy is any different from Joe Bloggs down the street is when he is in the process of blowing something up? How do you fight that with tanks and guns?
The simple/sad truth is there is no way to ever eliminate terrorism - as long as humans have free will there will always be individuals. Terrorists don't just pop up from nowhere, it takes individuals to care about something enough to take this kind of action (whether they are right or not) - Here in Ireland the only reason we actually have a republic seperate from the commonwealth is because of terrorists who felt oppressed by the English government 90 years ago (the majority of whatever terrorism is continuing is because certain people feel the only right thing is for the last 6 counties to be a part of the republic too). You might be thinking this is unrelated, but from what I have seen, and even from what you are saying this very same situation seems to be/has been manifesting itself in Iraq as a result of this so called war on terrorism. Regardless of how wong he was, the sad truth is that the only reason Bin Laden ordered the twin towers bombings was because of the Gulf war. My point is that there is no such thing as a war on terrorism because invariably war only produces terrorism.
Mark
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There would be a hell of a lot less to de-escalate if you hadn't gone to "war" over nothing. War is a last resort not a privilage - you certainly don't go to war on a whim and then change your mind as to what your cause is while people are dying on both sides for that very cause.
[quote name='sweet7' date='Jul 7 2005, 04:11 PM']The bad guys over here really trully hate YOU and the American way of life.
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If you were invading my country for no apparent reason I probably wouldn't be falling over myself to shake your hand either. I'm not one of these hippies that says wars should never happen, but for **** sake war's occur between countries, last time I checked there wasn't a country full of terrorists - and I have yet to hear any form of an explanation as to how you stage a war against terrorism, how exactly do you fight a war when the only time your enemy is any different from Joe Bloggs down the street is when he is in the process of blowing something up? How do you fight that with tanks and guns?
The simple/sad truth is there is no way to ever eliminate terrorism - as long as humans have free will there will always be individuals. Terrorists don't just pop up from nowhere, it takes individuals to care about something enough to take this kind of action (whether they are right or not) - Here in Ireland the only reason we actually have a republic seperate from the commonwealth is because of terrorists who felt oppressed by the English government 90 years ago (the majority of whatever terrorism is continuing is because certain people feel the only right thing is for the last 6 counties to be a part of the republic too). You might be thinking this is unrelated, but from what I have seen, and even from what you are saying this very same situation seems to be/has been manifesting itself in Iraq as a result of this so called war on terrorism. Regardless of how wong he was, the sad truth is that the only reason Bin Laden ordered the twin towers bombings was because of the Gulf war. My point is that there is no such thing as a war on terrorism because invariably war only produces terrorism.
Mark
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That is the most ignorant post I've ever read. First of all I "dont go to war" I get sent to war. This is my 3rd deployment. You think I enjoy being away from my friends an family? You think I enjoy I enjoy being in this ****-hole they call Iraq?
Second of all, saying Bin Laden attacked the WTC because of the Gulf War is the biggest load of **** I've heard in years. Go back to you're pacifist ways stud, leave the real world to the big boys.
Second of all, saying Bin Laden attacked the WTC because of the Gulf War is the biggest load of **** I've heard in years. Go back to you're pacifist ways stud, leave the real world to the big boys.
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[quote name='sweet7' date='Jul 7 2005, 08:30 PM']That is the most ignorant post I've ever read. First of all I "dont go to war" I get sent to war. This is my 3rd deployment. You think I enjoy being away from my friends an family? You think I enjoy I enjoy being in this ****-hole they call Iraq?
Second of all, saying Bin Laden attacked the WTC because of the Gulf War is the biggest load of **** I've heard in years. Go back to you're pacifist ways stud, leave the real world to the big boys.
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I have nothing against you, I was talking in terms of decisions made by your government.
As for the second point, that's what Bin Laden himself had to say - was he justified on any level to bomb the towers? No. Is that why he did it? According to him, Yes.
As for the rest of what you had to say, well I don't need to say anything.
Mark
Second of all, saying Bin Laden attacked the WTC because of the Gulf War is the biggest load of **** I've heard in years. Go back to you're pacifist ways stud, leave the real world to the big boys.
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I have nothing against you, I was talking in terms of decisions made by your government.
As for the second point, that's what Bin Laden himself had to say - was he justified on any level to bomb the towers? No. Is that why he did it? According to him, Yes.
As for the rest of what you had to say, well I don't need to say anything.
Mark
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From: Orange County, NY
[quote name='sweet7' date='Jul 7 2005, 03:30 PM']That is the most ignorant post I've ever read. First of all I "dont go to war" I get sent to war. This is my 3rd deployment. You think I enjoy being away from my friends an family? You think I enjoy I enjoy being in this ****-hole they call Iraq?
Second of all, saying Bin Laden attacked the WTC because of the Gulf War is the biggest load of **** I've heard in years. Go back to you're pacifist ways stud, leave the real world to the big boys.
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LOL, Sweet7
Sorry, but this All for Oil position, and the "no reason to be there" remark are just beyond me..
Second of all, saying Bin Laden attacked the WTC because of the Gulf War is the biggest load of **** I've heard in years. Go back to you're pacifist ways stud, leave the real world to the big boys.
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LOL, Sweet7
Sorry, but this All for Oil position, and the "no reason to be there" remark are just beyond me..
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From: Bayou-self Louisiana
Mark.... Bin Laden didn’t hit US cause of the Gulf War. His own family ostracized him because of his radical beliefs many years before and his family disavowed him. He then was in Yemen and Afghanistan, etc. Saddam didn’t like him and Osama wasn’t a Sunni.He did his I am the saviour thing by hitting the US for himself.
The world went in to protect the Arab country of Kuwait who Saddam invaded.
Hence Gulf War one. Then after kicking his *** Saddam played hide and seek for 12 years breaking all the Liberal supported UN rules. France was making tons of money backdooring everyone because they can't stand being the ***** nation of Western Civilization and thought they could get a hand up. UN secretary and staffers were on the take (as we find now), UN didn’t enforce its own rules with punishment and Saddam kicked the UN out. No one could verify anything.
All this UN BS cause of the liberal, love all support doctrine, which appeases the evil. Why fight the free money and support when the leftist is playing into it?
Bin Laden is an idea log like Hitler who believes there is no room for others if they do not follow his individual belief and must destroy all...and today they have denounced Egypt!
Really fucked thinking if some people sympathize with him. Do some diligent research for our sake...know who this beast really is." not directed at Mark personally"
The world went in to protect the Arab country of Kuwait who Saddam invaded.
Hence Gulf War one. Then after kicking his *** Saddam played hide and seek for 12 years breaking all the Liberal supported UN rules. France was making tons of money backdooring everyone because they can't stand being the ***** nation of Western Civilization and thought they could get a hand up. UN secretary and staffers were on the take (as we find now), UN didn’t enforce its own rules with punishment and Saddam kicked the UN out. No one could verify anything.
All this UN BS cause of the liberal, love all support doctrine, which appeases the evil. Why fight the free money and support when the leftist is playing into it?
Bin Laden is an idea log like Hitler who believes there is no room for others if they do not follow his individual belief and must destroy all...and today they have denounced Egypt!
Really fucked thinking if some people sympathize with him. Do some diligent research for our sake...know who this beast really is." not directed at Mark personally"
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From: Ireland
I can't remember the interview now, but the impression I got from him, was that he wasn't pissed off so much of the gulf war itself, more because the foreigners with their foreign religion were there in his country killing people he knew. really this is not really what I was trying to say anyway - I only mentioned it to support another point.
One thing I will say on this note is that I can sympathise with the situation he was in in Iraq, because like I said it's similar to some of Ireland's history - But please don't mistake this for me sympathising with the man himself in any way!
Mark
One thing I will say on this note is that I can sympathise with the situation he was in in Iraq, because like I said it's similar to some of Ireland's history - But please don't mistake this for me sympathising with the man himself in any way!
Mark
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I agree with the Irishman, in that a war on terrorism cannot be fought with tanks and soldiers, initially. Capture of high ranking individuals could be done and should be done this way though, imo.
The Iraq conflict was nothing more than an a convenient excuse for Bush Jr. and his administration to pick-up where Bush Sr. and his administration left off, or wasn't allowed to do, which ever way you want to look at it. This whole Iraq issue could have been a done deal 14 years ago, yet the U.S was only allowed to liberate Kuwait, removing Sadam Hussien and his people from power should have made the menu in that operation as well, being the certifiable whack job that he is.
As far as Iraq goes, the U.S. should have pulled our boys and girls out of that country a long time ago...
The Iraq conflict was nothing more than an a convenient excuse for Bush Jr. and his administration to pick-up where Bush Sr. and his administration left off, or wasn't allowed to do, which ever way you want to look at it. This whole Iraq issue could have been a done deal 14 years ago, yet the U.S was only allowed to liberate Kuwait, removing Sadam Hussien and his people from power should have made the menu in that operation as well, being the certifiable whack job that he is.
As far as Iraq goes, the U.S. should have pulled our boys and girls out of that country a long time ago...
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[quote name='89 Rag' date='Jul 7 2005, 07:44 PM']As far as Iraq goes, the U.S. should have pulled our boys and girls out of that country a long time ago...
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Just seems like killing fields to me. Anyone see the interview with the guy on the Daily Show who helped set up democracy there? Something about how the U.S. got it wrong...It's out of control, basically.
I know I'm very descriptive, sorry. Hah.
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Just seems like killing fields to me. Anyone see the interview with the guy on the Daily Show who helped set up democracy there? Something about how the U.S. got it wrong...It's out of control, basically.
I know I'm very descriptive, sorry. Hah.
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From: QUEENS NYC
[quote name='sureshot' date='Jul 7 2005, 10:19 AM']I bet New Yorkers are not so disappointed about loosing the Olympics bid now.
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yes we are. If those ********* let teh stadium be built we would have more money , more jobs. **** everyone talking about the traffic, most people from jersey will take the ferrys over no need for cars, and we got subways. So traffic will always be heavy in the city.
There dumb man, then they tried to get teh shea stadium jump off but how would that help when people think of nyc they think of manhattan not QUEENS
Jason nYC
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yes we are. If those ********* let teh stadium be built we would have more money , more jobs. **** everyone talking about the traffic, most people from jersey will take the ferrys over no need for cars, and we got subways. So traffic will always be heavy in the city.
There dumb man, then they tried to get teh shea stadium jump off but how would that help when people think of nyc they think of manhattan not QUEENS
Jason nYC
