Ford might sell Mazda shares
10-12-2008, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='909771' date='Oct 12 2008, 01:35 PM
I think its sort of the other way around, I believe it was Ford who developed that chassis, as a global unit.
The 6 comes with Ford motors- so whats Mazda going to do for a motor?
The 6 comes with Ford motors- so whats Mazda going to do for a motor?
That's not consistent with what I've read in the past. Neither does that statement agree with this discussion in the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_CD3_platform
"Ford insiders claim that this platform, developed in Japan by Mazda, is primarily for the North American market."
As far as the 6-cylinder engine goes, the old 929/MPV ran a very solid 3.0 liter V-6 that logged over 250k miles in a friend's MPV. I really don't think that Mazda needs Ford for engineering expertise. I'd say it's very much the other way around.
Now for manufacturing capacity and capital investment Mazda may have a use for Ford, but I think that's about as far as it goes.
10-12-2008, 03:39 PM
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The entire automotive industry is going to look totally different in 2 years. Ford needs to sell Mazda WHILE they are in fact making a profit, they need the liquidity and they need to lop off the viable arms and bankrupt the non viable ones.
Whilst you guys find all this scary it all comes of absolutely NO surprise to me, I have seen this coming since 2006, it took a little bit longer to get here then I thought it would, remember when I tried to move to Costa Rica, then bought the boat instead? Well now you know why....... I went from being the crazy guy in the corner to people listening to me and wanting to take me out to lunch to hear what I have to say in a matter of DAYS.
Whilst you guys find all this scary it all comes of absolutely NO surprise to me, I have seen this coming since 2006, it took a little bit longer to get here then I thought it would, remember when I tried to move to Costa Rica, then bought the boat instead? Well now you know why....... I went from being the crazy guy in the corner to people listening to me and wanting to take me out to lunch to hear what I have to say in a matter of DAYS.
10-12-2008, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 1988RedT2' post='909780' date='Oct 12 2008, 03:56 PM
That's not consistent with what I've read in the past. Neither does that statement agree with this discussion in the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_CD3_platform
"Ford insiders claim that this platform, developed in Japan by Mazda, is primarily for the North American market."
As far as the 6-cylinder engine goes, the old 929/MPV ran a very solid 3.0 liter V-6 that logged over 250k miles in a friend's MPV. I really don't think that Mazda needs Ford for engineering expertise. I'd say it's very much the other way around.
Now for manufacturing capacity and capital investment Mazda may have a use for Ford, but I think that's about as far as it goes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_CD3_platform
"Ford insiders claim that this platform, developed in Japan by Mazda, is primarily for the North American market."
As far as the 6-cylinder engine goes, the old 929/MPV ran a very solid 3.0 liter V-6 that logged over 250k miles in a friend's MPV. I really don't think that Mazda needs Ford for engineering expertise. I'd say it's very much the other way around.
Now for manufacturing capacity and capital investment Mazda may have a use for Ford, but I think that's about as far as it goes.
ok so mazda developed the chassis and they borrowed a engine from Ford- im sure that mazda can use thier own engine and ford can make another chassis or they can just get the same from each other. With a model change usually comes a chassis and motor change anyhow. Ford and mazda could be doing that as we speak for all we know?
10-12-2008, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='909787' date='Oct 12 2008, 03:18 PM
ok so mazda developed the chassis and they borrowed a engine from Ford- im sure that mazda can use thier own engine and ford can make another chassis or they can just get the same from each other. With a model change usually comes a chassis and motor change anyhow. Ford and mazda could be doing that as we speak for all we know?
they just came out with the new 6 (dunno about the ford line), so they just did it.
ford has used mazda effectively as the engineering dept. they did screw up volvo, and jaguar though. but mazda can design things, like the 6 chassis, or the tribute/escape and ford can manufacture it.
the mazda 6, v6 engine is a ford design, loosely based on the KL series of mazda v6's
10-13-2008, 11:00 AM
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my 6 had the 4cyl, was a ford engine
do they still use the 2.3 in the 3?
jaguar is a loser brand, the days of guys in thier 50's dreaming of getting hand jobs in the front seat of a Xj-12 are gone, now the car is a loser brand in my opinion. My dad even bought a Jaguar 3 years ago, I told him its a nice car then cursed him for buying a jerkoff car.
Volvo rode that safety box reputation long enough, the only people I know of that ever bought a volvo already had one before, I cant seem to recall a single person that I know buying a volvo for the first time.
Fact is the americans ARE making great cars now, but it will take some time to regain the trust of the joe car buyer.
Over-expansion always causes companies to lose touch with what they can accomplish, ford should ditch everything and get back to business of making great cars again.
do they still use the 2.3 in the 3?
jaguar is a loser brand, the days of guys in thier 50's dreaming of getting hand jobs in the front seat of a Xj-12 are gone, now the car is a loser brand in my opinion. My dad even bought a Jaguar 3 years ago, I told him its a nice car then cursed him for buying a jerkoff car.
Volvo rode that safety box reputation long enough, the only people I know of that ever bought a volvo already had one before, I cant seem to recall a single person that I know buying a volvo for the first time.
Fact is the americans ARE making great cars now, but it will take some time to regain the trust of the joe car buyer.
Over-expansion always causes companies to lose touch with what they can accomplish, ford should ditch everything and get back to business of making great cars again.
10-13-2008, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='909842' date='Oct 13 2008, 09:00 AM
my 6 had the 4cyl, was a ford engine
do they still use the 2.3 in the 3?
Fact is the americans ARE making great cars now, but it will take some time to regain the trust of the joe car buyer.
Over-expansion always causes companies to lose touch with what they can accomplish, ford should ditch everything and get back to business of making great cars again.
do they still use the 2.3 in the 3?
Fact is the americans ARE making great cars now, but it will take some time to regain the trust of the joe car buyer.
Over-expansion always causes companies to lose touch with what they can accomplish, ford should ditch everything and get back to business of making great cars again.
the 2.3 was designed by everyone, cosworth did the head, etc etc. its made in mexico.
i agree that the current crop of american cars is actually really good, especially when you start comparing them seriously with something like bmw/mercedes/audi, which look nice, drive nice, but really suck if you say, wanted to turn the radio off....
although saying ford should make great cars AGAIN, would imply that they made great cars BEFORE. even a 5 year old could tell the maverick was a giant POS....
on GM's side, they used to make cars that were cool, if you see an old caddy, it looks like something, its still cool. their new cars just look like rentals. they need some styling, although the 350z is a hit, and it looks like a washing machine from the back
10-13-2008, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 1988RedT2' post='909849' date='Oct 13 2008, 10:18 AM
I think "styling" is a thing of the past. Everybody takes the same egg shape and slaps their logo on it. There are a few exceptions, but they are low-volume cars like the Corvette.
thats just it, everything is the same....