E-10 Fuel in a rotary
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Originally Posted by 86fc3sMatt' post='774262' date='Oct 31 2005, 03:09 PM
the reason why with all this technology we arent using fuels like that is simple... big oil companies have power. way more power than you can imagine. they will do anything and everything in thier power to not let alternative fuels happen.
Yes, I see it's true! Big oil has paid rob and spiff and fc3sboy to badmouth ethanol on this forum!
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It won't increase miliage will decrease, but hey if there is any water in your fuel system it will dry it up 
I had read somewhere that it might break up some particle build up and clog fuel filters, but a lot of places have been running ethanol in gas for some time, I know washington state did.
The water removers you buy and some of the octane boosters are just ethanol.
The water removers you buy and some of the octane boosters are just ethanol.
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I have only ever known 10%. Actually, one station in town has a new option of new gas thats like over 50% ethanol, i wanna say at least 80 but i could be wrong. There are like no cars that can run it i don't think but it is about 20 cents cheaper. I'm not in my home town much anymore so i will pay attention to what it is next time i go
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I have spoken to a couple chemists and there is no way that ethanol would drop performance, gas mileage is true, but there is a major benefit as far as higher octane, plus the drop is only 2% to run 100+ octane. How many of us run crazy ports for power, that dramaticially drop mpg? And you wanna bitch about 2% mpg loss? What if you could just run more boost or compression instead of running such a big port.
It is true in the higher mixes it will damage cars not equipt for it, which is why there are only a couple flexible fuel cars out right now. Most cars will not run well on like an e-85 mix, but e-10 is decent. I am not sure exactly how much it raises octane, but I will find out.
I actually went to a station here in san diego that carries it, it doesn't smell too good, I have to admit, but I can just feel my car just feels smoother with the higher octane.
Ethanol is a good and viable fuel, but like others have posted, our glorious u.s. of a will not allow such a thing as more effective alternate fuels replace petroleum, we simply, or should I say, they simply make too much bloody money.
If I had the money I would open up a chain of ethanol stations around the country, no matter how hard they try to stop it, the energy revolution will occur. Much greater energies will be availible in the future but ethanol is a good start, then maybe eventually something like zero point energy will finally be accepted, since the technology does exist. People like Nikola Tesla have been talking about it for years, he invented alternating current, but yet he is in no school text books, why is that, because he was an eccentric futurist. He would be the richest man alive, he would make bill gates look like oliver twist.
Ethanol is a good start, since our current engineering designes for combustion are still valid, possibly later on hydrogen can be adapted and then the sky is the limit from there. A lof of tuners feel that more enviornmentally friendly means less performance, not true at all. They make ridiculous cars like the honda hybrid and prius to keep people away from the idea that better for the envionrment means less performance, bullshit. We are being hypnotized by the mass media. Do some research on alternative fuels and energy and you will be shocked and disturbed how much you have been lied to.
I am an engineering major at ucsd and many of my professors have been telling me the same thing, don't believe the hype, get self-educated.
It is true in the higher mixes it will damage cars not equipt for it, which is why there are only a couple flexible fuel cars out right now. Most cars will not run well on like an e-85 mix, but e-10 is decent. I am not sure exactly how much it raises octane, but I will find out.
I actually went to a station here in san diego that carries it, it doesn't smell too good, I have to admit, but I can just feel my car just feels smoother with the higher octane.
Ethanol is a good and viable fuel, but like others have posted, our glorious u.s. of a will not allow such a thing as more effective alternate fuels replace petroleum, we simply, or should I say, they simply make too much bloody money.
If I had the money I would open up a chain of ethanol stations around the country, no matter how hard they try to stop it, the energy revolution will occur. Much greater energies will be availible in the future but ethanol is a good start, then maybe eventually something like zero point energy will finally be accepted, since the technology does exist. People like Nikola Tesla have been talking about it for years, he invented alternating current, but yet he is in no school text books, why is that, because he was an eccentric futurist. He would be the richest man alive, he would make bill gates look like oliver twist.
Ethanol is a good start, since our current engineering designes for combustion are still valid, possibly later on hydrogen can be adapted and then the sky is the limit from there. A lof of tuners feel that more enviornmentally friendly means less performance, not true at all. They make ridiculous cars like the honda hybrid and prius to keep people away from the idea that better for the envionrment means less performance, bullshit. We are being hypnotized by the mass media. Do some research on alternative fuels and energy and you will be shocked and disturbed how much you have been lied to.
I am an engineering major at ucsd and many of my professors have been telling me the same thing, don't believe the hype, get self-educated.
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Originally Posted by Epitrochoid' post='774435' date='Nov 1 2005, 02:16 AM
I have spoken to a couple chemists and there is no way that ethanol would drop performance, gas mileage is true, but there is a major benefit as far as higher octane, plus the drop is only 2% to run 100+ octane. How many of us run crazy ports for power, that dramaticially drop mpg? And you wanna bitch about 2% mpg loss? What if you could just run more boost or compression instead of running such a big port.
It is true in the higher mixes it will damage cars not equipt for it, which is why there are only a couple flexible fuel cars out right now. Most cars will not run well on like an e-85 mix, but e-10 is decent. I am not sure exactly how much it raises octane, but I will find out.
I actually went to a station here in san diego that carries it, it doesn't smell too good, I have to admit, but I can just feel my car just feels smoother with the higher octane.
Ethanol is a good and viable fuel, but like others have posted, our glorious u.s. of a will not allow such a thing as more effective alternate fuels replace petroleum, we simply, or should I say, they simply make too much bloody money.
If I had the money I would open up a chain of ethanol stations around the country, no matter how hard they try to stop it, the energy revolution will occur. Much greater energies will be availible in the future but ethanol is a good start, then maybe eventually something like zero point energy will finally be accepted, since the technology does exist. People like Nikola Tesla have been talking about it for years, he invented alternating current, but yet he is in no school text books, why is that, because he was an eccentric futurist. He would be the richest man alive, he would make bill gates look like oliver twist.
Ethanol is a good start, since our current engineering designes for combustion are still valid, possibly later on hydrogen can be adapted and then the sky is the limit from there. A lof of tuners feel that more enviornmentally friendly means less performance, not true at all. They make ridiculous cars like the honda hybrid and prius to keep people away from the idea that better for the envionrment means less performance, bullshit. We are being hypnotized by the mass media. Do some research on alternative fuels and energy and you will be shocked and disturbed how much you have been lied to.
I am an engineering major at ucsd and many of my professors have been telling me the same thing, don't believe the hype, get self-educated.
A couple of my friends are going to Rolla for engineering but have talked about getting into hyrdogen engines.
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Originally Posted by NoeVuh' post='774429' date='Nov 1 2005, 02:01 AM
I have only ever known 10%. Actually, one station in town has a new option of new gas thats like over 50% ethanol, i wanna say at least 80 but i could be wrong. There are like no cars that can run it i don't think but it is about 20 cents cheaper. I'm not in my home town much anymore so i will pay attention to what it is next time i go
Its prolly e85, which is 85% ethanol, but you should have a car designed to run that kind of fuel to use e85
