did i mention i HATE nissans?
10-15-2008, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by G2G' post='909982' date='Oct 14 2008, 09:34 PM
And the KA motor nissan used for the 240 didn't come out of a truck? Mazda used the same engine in the REPU and it's sport's cars of that day. Most auto companies will at least use some variation of another engine. Torque is good when it comes to acceleration, I wouldn't be complaining about that.
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Lol. The KA24DE sure is a hit in the 240, that's why everyone is aching to swap it out of their cars. True, having some interchangeability between vehicles is good for business, no doubt. But one big issue with putting truck engines in sports cars is they don't rev due to the aforementioned long stroke. And why are you on a rotary forum if you like torque so much anyways! :P
10-15-2008, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nateb123' post='910010' date='Oct 15 2008, 12:41 PM
Lol. The KA24DE sure is a hit in the 240, that's why everyone is aching to swap it out of their cars. True, having some interchangeability between vehicles is good for business, no doubt. But one big issue with putting truck engines in sports cars is they don't rev due to the aforementioned long stroke. And why are you on a rotary forum if you like torque so much anyways! :P
Exactly that's why several of my friends with 240's said **** the sr swap. They took the ka with a bolt on turbo some mods to the heads etc. and put down 500 hp. Yeah that's a shitty motor. Look at american sports cars from the beginning, they've never been about high revving, they've been about low end torque. No one thinks back about a hemi for how high it revved they think back to how much torque it had low down. Just because I am a rotary owner doesn't mean I shouldn't like torque. While the rotary is not as torquey as piston motors it can be made to have some good torque. Look at the 20b's everyone rants about how they have so much more torque in stock form. Using a smaller exhaust port and intellegently designing your exhaust can bring much more torque out of a rotary.
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10-15-2008, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by G2G' post='910024' date='Oct 15 2008, 12:24 PM
Exactly that's why several of my friends with 240's said **** the sr swap. They took the ka with a bolt on turbo some mods to the heads etc. and put down 500 hp. Yeah that's a shitty motor. Look at american sports cars from the beginning, they've never been about high revving, they've been about low end torque. No one thinks back about a hemi for how high it revved they think back to how much torque it had low down. Just because I am a rotary owner doesn't mean I shouldn't like torque. While the rotary is not as torquey as piston motors it can be made to have some good torque. Look at the 20b's everyone rants about how they have so much more torque in stock form. Using a smaller exhaust port and intellegently designing your exhaust can bring much more torque out of a rotary.
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1) Whether you can get power from a big engine isn't being questioned. But have you ever looked at the VE, MEP or BSFC figures for those engines? The difference is staggering.
2) I was joking about you liking torque and rotary engines. Joking. Have a sense of humour. It's just simple irony, not an attack.
10-15-2008, 09:09 PM
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One thing you cant deny the KA is a bulletproof motor it's actually completely rediculous...my friends would do all sorts of **** to the motors like going 10k on an oilchange and ghetto-ing up a turbo system and the motors would actually run like that...the nissan trucks would go 300 000km's+ and still sell for half-decent prices! And all that while getting great gas mileage and delivering a good amount of power.
Dirty little secret with me is that I love Dodge, love the ****. But unfortunately all the cars, trucks, vans have been junk since the 70's and even in the 70's there's almost no denying it...big, fat, sloppy suspensions, cheaply made hogs on gas, rust easily, fall apart ect. ect... but I like the Hemi cars even if they are named after something stupidly simple I still like them... All stemming from the fact my old nextdoor neighbour used to restore Darts, Roadrunners among other things in his garage. It's the act of restoration that makes them liveable! If you can restore any car I'll take it...fresh off the factory floor in 1974 no thanks....unless its a ALFA ROMEO even if the problems with Dodges seem pale in comparison, lol!
Dirty little secret with me is that I love Dodge, love the ****. But unfortunately all the cars, trucks, vans have been junk since the 70's and even in the 70's there's almost no denying it...big, fat, sloppy suspensions, cheaply made hogs on gas, rust easily, fall apart ect. ect... but I like the Hemi cars even if they are named after something stupidly simple I still like them... All stemming from the fact my old nextdoor neighbour used to restore Darts, Roadrunners among other things in his garage. It's the act of restoration that makes them liveable! If you can restore any car I'll take it...fresh off the factory floor in 1974 no thanks....unless its a ALFA ROMEO even if the problems with Dodges seem pale in comparison, lol!
10-16-2008, 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Nateb123' post='909893' date='Oct 13 2008, 10:47 PM
Sorry, but that just shows how lazy GM is at making their cars. Some idiot goes "Gosh darn we need more torque in this car!" and then they put a truck engine in it that's so simple a lemur with downe's syndrome could do it. Doesn't exactly speak to their engineering prowess.
He's talking about switching engines in two trucks. He's not putting an LS2 into his Cobalt.
Car companies (or any manufacturer for that matter) need to be flexible to be competitive. That's why they use platforms for multiple cars. It cuts down on R&D while increasing the options to the consumer. Over-engineering something just to prove a point is best left to the luxury and exotic cars. Those of us who work hard for our $$ appreciate the price cut. I also appreciate the fact that the '08 WRX is based off of the '05 Legacy GT chassis so I have more performance parts available now.
10-19-2008, 09:17 AM
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Actually, from an engineering standpoint, it makes a lot more sense to have your parts be interchangable between models. Less different tooling means less money spent in development. It makes a LOT of sense to have the bolt patterns be the same between most of the engines and transmissions.
