I opened the mail today to find a photo radar ticket..and a "warning". It seems when you pass a photo radar unit in Portland, they dont like it when you give it the finger as you pass by 15 mph over the limit. I guess I wont be apperaring on that one to plead not guilty! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

LOL thats too ******* funny

They warned you about giving them the finger? LOL

**** those tree hugging owl screwing flakes. UPS a big pile of dog crap with your ticket. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

haha thats funny stuff. you should always flip them off when you pass just to see what they will do.

its freedom of expression, giving the finger to a machine and getting a ticket for it....I'd be in jail if it happened everytime I flipped the bird to my computer

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

thats funny. you should mail them a letter how you think its unfair that a citizen gets punished for showing their opinion. we di have the right to free speech after all. demand an apology



mike

**** those tree hugging owl screwing flakes. UPS a big pile of dog crap with your ticket. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif[/quote]

I had to stop laughing before I replied or my post would look like Bigtimes... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif



They threatened a "driver coulseling" appt, or a 30 day suspension for my " blatent disregard for the law". Photo radar is bullshit, the lazy bastards should send a god damn copper out there. If the sons-a- bitches can hold a god damn doughnut up, they otta be able to hold a ****** radar gun up as well. I think ill get on the payment plan for the ticket and send um a buck a month for 175 months, or my usual method of payment, hit the bank on the way, and pay with a giant bag of pennies. I wonder why they havent caught on yet, the last three years Ive paid four speeding tickets in pennies, unrolled pennies tossed in a giant sack https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...doublebird.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

thats prolly y they dont like u much

thats prolly y they dont like u much[/quote]

AHHH **** 'EM. I aint tryin to win a popularity contest https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

that money can go to ur project car.

thats prolly y they dont like u much[/quote]

AHHH **** 'EM. I aint tryin to win a popularity contest https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif[/quote]

Words to live by. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

I personally don't think photo radar should be legal, it's horseshit and I am not real clear as to how it can hold up in court as there is no officer to right a report on his observances, were there environmental variables that could have effected the radar? Was the camera tested to be fully operational prior to the picture? etc, etc... these are all questions you could legally ask a ticketing officer in court, but are unable to ask a camera. Can you subpeona the camera and if it doesn't show in court beat the ticket? After all weren't we given the right to face our accuser in the constitution that court is obliged to uphold?

amen!

does the camera get its lunch breaks? vacation? overtime? we should call the labor board....



mike

The government is the biggest ripoff business in the history of the world.

The government is the biggest ripoff business in the history of the world.[/quote]

thats what ivan always says, next to insurance.

actually if you think about it the government is just a big protection racket



mike

well phins no offense but i have to say yer full o ****. Why shouldn't it be legal? I mean it takes pictures... so let's say... you catch some dude raping your wife and you take a picture of him doing or something to that effect. Should your picture not be allowed in court? was the camera fully tested prior to use? I don't think so and neither do you. If the camera wasn't operational then it woudlnt' have takin a picture of your ass breakin the law now would it https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png and if you really wanted to make any other points you could, but the odds are you were probably speeding.

Like said you are allowed to question the operational functionality of a radar gun when a cop shitts you with it in court, do you have that option with photo?



Secondly comparing rape to a traffic violation is one hell of a stretch, if a security camera catches you in the act of a crime you are actually commiting then you are seen shooting, raping whatever. With the case of photo radar you are relying on two machines... one to accurately capture your radar and time it to the photo image and two the camera... how can you prove beyond a shadow of doubt that both were 100% functional.



Secondly, back to your "example" you catch someone raping someone on camera... they will still get to face their accuser... someone will have to come to court and testify as to the validity of the tape, and the defense will be allowed to challenge that validity with their expert witness. are you allowed to that with your photoradar?

Also in Washington you are allowed to request to see the radar gun unless another officer was present at the time of the clocking... how is that possible with photo?

For one thing, its only a fine, no points on your license, and one of the companies that makes those cameras is being sued because they are not profitable like they said they would be, I have the article somewhere in one of my Car and Drivers actually, its COSTING that state money to have the damm things in operation.

Furthermore, you are challenging my statement because you don't want a rape tape to be thrown out of court, do realize what that would do to our judicial system if we considered the long precidence in every case over the merits of the case itself?



So we would not release a man accused of murder because it might start a trend? Unfortunately guilty people go free all the time, but if they are not guilty beyond proponderance of the eveidence then they should go free, that is the way the system was designed and is upheld.



And you want to argue tickets and their virtues, by all means let's stick to tickets, god knows I know a lot less than you, I have only had 8 or 9 tickets in my driving career and NONE of them are on my driving record... but I wouldn't know anything about fighting them..., that is what my lawyer is for https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

They are ILLEGAL in the state of washington. So I don't know how they go with insurance.

They are ILLEGAL in the state of washington. So I don't know how they go with insurance.[/quote]

Who is to say who was driving the car? Here in New York we have red light cameras, while normally running a red light will slam the **** of your license and car insurance, a camera red light ticket is merely a fine not unlike a parking ticket.

Yea that was the one part I didn't even bring up, can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt I was driving the car... much like ThirdGen's rape example, if you can't prove it was him... the tape is useless.

The ticket goes to the registered of the car.

Horseshit... this is an erosion of our constitutional rights plain and simple.



I suppose you don't want me to tell you why unmarked police cars are entrapment now do you LOL

and did u also know that police have to be 100% visible when clocking radar speed they cant hide

to tell you the truth i trust machines 10000% more than I trust people... okay let's say you want it tested... how about this policy: at a regular interval sayyyy 1 month they go and check the camera to make sure it's functioning properly, if your ticket fell in the time that it was found to be out of adjustment then your ticket gets thrown out, problem solved. In california with redlight tickets the person's face has to be clear in the picture.

since when has our government gave a **** about the constitution? it's in the garbage, forget it existed

i dont trust cops and the one thing i dont trust more is a macheene ran by a cop

one good thing about living in Canada (at least Quebec) is that we aint got money to buy these things......

Spend a couple of bucks to buy those photo radar blockers that go over your plate, or the IR (Infrared) which look like a flashlight to a camera but invisible to the naked eye.



RadarBusters

The constitution is still very much in effect. the problem with it is that laws can be passed with very little regard to it and the people (the accused) have to suffer the costs of setting things right. This typically involves ungodly lawyers fees that most of the people who are involved with the various offenses cannot afford, not to mention months and months of court time. Its simply not profitable to fight this crap for those that do actually have the resources, and sadly profit is what this country as a whole is all about.

The constitution is still very much in effect.[/quote]

every once in awhile it is... what ever happened to free speech? you can't say anything anymore w/o having to worry about "offending" somebody

You know I saw a news show not that long ago that did a special on the red light cameras. They found that when the cameras were installed the time period from when a light turns from yellow to red was shortened, as to increase the number of people running red lights. It wasn't small either, it was a substantial amount of time. This is bad for two reasons: one people are not being informed of the time change and two, people are more prone to get into an accident already subconsiously knowing how long they have before the parallel traffic lights turn green. They showed revenue reports for the local PD after the cameras were installed, and they were huge! I know in Canada they have signs up warning you that you are entering a photo radar area. I think this is better because people know where the cameras are and can slow down, pass them, and then move on. But I don't think photo radar is cool at all, and I am glad they don't have it here.

The government is the biggest ripoff business in the history of the world.[/quote]

thats what ivan always says, next to insurance.

actually if you think about it the government is just a big protection racket



mike[/quote]

I'm with you.

The constitution is still very much in effect.[/quote]

every once in awhile it is... what ever happened to free speech? you can't say anything anymore w/o having to worry about "offending" somebody[/quote]

Free speech is alive and well, but that doesn't mean it won't offend anyone. This board is a great example, say what you like... but don't be surprised if it pisses someone off.

if the government is being gay that's one thing, and if that's your reason for not liking them then that's fine, but used properly i think it's a good idea. I dont' think the cameras should be illegal just because some fat donut eating ******* isn't sitting behind it