Just came over the news. Paul Johnson the kidnapped American was beheaded in Saudi Arabia. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png

Condolences to his family.

you know, a year ago I would have said we need to offer them the same quality of life we have and that will solve the contempt and anger toward the US https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif .



now we should just turn all that area into a glass wasteland, make the area uninhabitable, forget the oil and the ******* savages. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/angry.png



Don't forget Canada, **** Canada! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/angry.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/angry.png



RE420B

I don't know what to do. I think the first thing they need to do is get the US out of there. Especially the civilain populus. Let that coutry get their own power up and running and we can drill for our oil in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska for crying out loud. WTF are we still there for?

Ha Ha...canada https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



I kinda agree though. You are never gonna stop this type of **** from happening. Nuke em.

Thats too bad https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png I just found out today what happened to the last american, and just saw this guy alive on TV earlier today. I say nuke em, then drill for oil through the glass.

yup

Where there's war people die.

thats why we should send canadians?

It shouldnt be civilians though. I know it is, but it shouldnt. People that are in Saudi Arabia or Egypt on vacation shouldnt have to worry about that. I am against the war and almost everything we are doing over there, but that is still fuct up.

seriously tho, who in there right mind who go to saudi arabia on vacation? its like me driving to the grand canyon on a day off "wow theres nothing here, cool"

i wanna see my face shine on their ground.



Glass em 'Ma.

I agree, time to send Kerry into office with an express ticket to the big red button. It's time to shut that corner of the world up for 10,000 years.

The "eye for an eye" theory is always popular with that culture right... so maybe we should just hold public executions over there...of say https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif OPEC leaders and just to make the French feel like they are taking part in something for a change, use the guillotine.

Well the news is saying that they just killed some top Al-queerda leader. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

see, I have connections https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

he wasn't on vaction..he was workign there for 10 years

it wasn't saudi arabia people who killed him...it was a select few fuckign psychos that did it...you can't blame a whole country that was trying to save the guy. This isn't was islam is about, i agree...the people commiting these acts should be totured, but they want a few things



1. they want american out of the middle east...that is why they keep executing americans

2.they want complete chaos over there because they think the gov't right now is corrupt

3.they want to live in the dark ages



but this isn't the whole middle ast, just the select few who take the koran to far...its ******* bullshit

they all look the same, nukie nukie

lol

No we cannot NUKE little children and others who are just trying to live their lives. But we can single out and kill all the terrorists with our space lasers!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif Seriously the US should get out and deal with them from afar. With laser guided missles. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

Jesus Christ...my cousin, aunt, and uncle are living in Saudi because my uncle got some uberly high paying job there. I hope their rich asses can get the **** out. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...O_DIR#>/11.gif



My tears are with Paul Johnson's family.

if i were white, you couldn't pay me enough to live ANYWHERE in the middle east.



"Johnson was seized on June 12, the same day that Islamic militants shot and killed Kenneth Scroggs of Laconia, N.H., in his garage in Riyadh.



Scroggs worked for Advanced Electronics Co., a Saudi firm whose Web site lists Lockheed Martin among its customers. The office number on Johnson's business card was for Advanced Electronics.



The same week as Scroggs' death, militants shot and killed another American, Robert Jacobs, and an Irish citizen in Riyadh."

My deepest condolences to his family...

for some reason i dont believe that...



seems like something from a little kids argument

"well my dad has a bigger house"

"yeah well, my dad has THIS"

yadda yadda yadda

Not our war? Surprising we sent more than a welcome to democracy basket and some s'mores. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif

First of all my deepest sympathies to the families of ANY soldiers who have lost their lives in this war.

Moving on:

It pisses me off that people are saying we need to pull out just because there have been some high profile killings of Americans. I didn't agree with our going over there, but I think that now that it's done, it needs to be finished and we as Americans (and those from other developed countries) need to be supportive. If we go home now, chaos ensues, and we just slapped every single person in our military in the face for letting the hardships and deaths they've had visited on them amount to nothing. I'm not sure that we should be enforcing democracy on the rest of the world, but now that it's started, we need to finish and not waver like a bunch of bitches. That's EXACTLY what the beheadings are meant to accomplish. Fear tactics from a fanatical few is ALL it is. We are stronger, we truly mean to make something good of this, and the American public should stop being such a bunch of fickle pussies and get behind this cause. I used to be a soldier and have quite a few friends in Iraq right now and EVERYONE has said that there are constantly thankful people coming up to them and stating their gratitude....it just doesn't make for good headlines so no one hears this. This time of turmoil will pass if we endure, but will continue if we falter. We're in a place where we can choose the outcome. Ask Germany and Japan if being destroyed/rebuilt by the US is a bad thing...funny how they are now two of the most prosperous countries in the world, and human rights are held in high regard in both places. Good things are worth fighting for... For lack of a better phrase, cowboy the **** up.

Ha! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683894.gif Welcome to American Democracy basket!



And I agree with Fd3BOOST when he says you can't just nuke them there are other people living their lives.. There's two sides to everything.. Those "terrorists" over there think "All those americans are the ******* same". No different from what half of you people have to say about them.



Ever since Bush has been in office I have never seen anything go smoothly or clearly for that matter (clear concise decisions or reason for action). I really can't stand your news broadcasts too, they are very biased, you aren't allowed to form your own opinion of anything, preconcieved stories are jammed down your throats (I have travelled to the US a few times for work, local news stations are VERY different from Canadian local news).



I'm not saying America sucks, It just leaves me suspicious of you're government actions as a whole. They seem very intertwined with the media, as if the media is a government tool, not a form of true communication.



And what I am explaining to you is the ONLY thing that the people overseas there have to form an opinion of you're country as a whole. Every American citizen I have met and know personally is a good person, not unlike anyone else I know. That said I don't think what the Media feeds the public about the country of America as a whole accurately reflects the real people in America.. Which unfortunately are also available to be seen overseas, rather than just plain facts. Think about it: The overproduced stories you see on the news are also seen by the eyes of the people overseas who hate America. I take the story I see with a grain of salt and say "That's American Media for you!", and let that be that. But, THEY are saying "That's Americans for you!".



What's more unfortunate is some of you citizens can't differentiate between being given a spoonfed story and just hard up facts. Just like for the people who hate Canada over this situation, you are a product of the American media. I would guess you are 'told' (in one way or another) to disown us because we didn't/don't follow suit. Remember I mentioned you're media is a government tool, not a form of communication. It's so well put together that you don't even know you aren't thinking for yourself!

American media, for the most part, is controlled by a specific religious belief based portion of the population, this is why you hear more about the Holocaust, than you do of Pearl Harbor for instance...

Everyone knows that we are trying to *help* the innocent people by fixing these countries, but the people that are ******* them up don't want us there. It's pretty simple, yet rediculously difficult. It's a lose-lose situation.. We stay, we continue to die. We leave, and everyone that we were aiding get's slaughtered. It'll be us that kills them by leaving.. They'll continue to make cowardly attacks, very small in size; But the method in which they do it will raise an uproar. 500 people die in a bombing is nowhere near as humiliating as having your head severed off on ******* television by masked coward with nothing to lose.



I'm sorry, but there is no paycheck big enough that will take me anywhere near that part of the world. The only reason my Army paycheck suffices is because A: I love my country, and right or wrong, I'll stand by my commander-in-chief's decisions. And B: My paycheck comes with a 5.56 semi-automatic lead launcher.



I wish there was an easy answer for all this, but unfortunately this is going to continue for a LONG time.

Oh, and Colin: I agree. American media is so full of holes, bullshit, and propaganda. I don't even watch it. It's half-truth, half-assumption, and 100% directed toward raising ratings. It's not about *what* the public NEEDS to know, it's about *who* can dig up the most spine twisting story. Thank god for a TS clearance.. I get the good stuff. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

Canada is a nation of peacekeepers, always has been. No matter how good the reason is, you guys did START the war in Iraq wether you think it was just or unjust.



As a nation who provokes peace and NOT starting wars, we are sorry that we might think a little or postpone sending our peacekeeping troops into the war. Same goes with the other countries who decided to stay out, promoting peace by not starting wars in the first place shows YOU are the bigger man. But alas, the other countries are not renown around the world for peacekeeping so they may have other reasons for not being in the war...and thus the american media gospels about how the french or the germans are pussies for not 'gung ho-ing' their way into full-on military invasion of a country.



And surprise surprise, after this 'gung-ho' act in a country that poses absolutely no threat to western society...troops are in high demand, ressources are spread thin and now your country is in debt. Other countries might have taken that into account, deciding to take the time and just attempt to negotiate sure it may take a while, but so does recovering from a national debt. And the latter does not take human life.



In the end, introducing democracy in a broken land may make Iraq a better place! Or just another part of the new american empire? Free yes, free to not eat at Mc Donalds? No. Because this is what it has become, for now of course, this is not long term stay by the americans, but there is no doubt that american culture will have a severe impact on the enhabitants of Iraq. Like that tank that run over a gang of looter's taxi. Im sure that man will remember his livelihood being taken away, and it wasnt from Iraqi soldiers.

lets adress the real issue, canadians are afraid of war.

no they aren't...haven't you seen shorties watching shorties...they are gonna attack turkey soon! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/ohmy.png

canada has peacekeeping troops? ok, even if you had these "peacekeeping" troops they wouldnt be able to go anywhere bc horses cant swim. also, has canada been attacked? how would you even know what weve gone through?

Gimmie a break. We need not be there. They are not there fighting "the war on terror" any more. Now they are over there trying to get the country up and running. This does not imply that I am not gratefull for the job done thus far. Iraq was demolished and it needed to happen. At this point the war with Iraq is over. Now the contractors are getting wacked just for being there. How does that have anything to do with soldiers? At least solidiers get a fair shot, they are armed. These contractors and civilians are sitting ducks. This is an issue about cash. The Prez has invested alot of cash into this place and at this point he is trying to make sure he doesn't lose out. So Americans are dying now for money? Let the middle east rebuild the **** themselves. If the ****** tree huggers were not such a bunch of pansies here in the U.S. we could drill for our own oil in our own land. Pleased don't assume that I am not behind the president either. I voted for Bush, I went to his inaguration and still think he is one hell of a president. Anyway thats my .02 worth.

BTW Cowboy boy up got beat by a girl.

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we cant really accomplish our goals there with missiles from abroad. there is no way to go find these guys and capture or kill them unless we are there. the missiles cant go looking for people in buildings or in holes in the ground. everyone that i have talked to or heard from who is in iraq fighting says they think we should be there. i know if i were an iraqi i would want someone to come and help me do what i could not do on my own, and i would hope that they would persevere when they were faced with difficult times. its the golden rule. its sad that these civilians have been and will be killed but they know whats going on over there and the knew how it was there when they went. i do think its wrong for anyone to be putting the pics of these people on tv or wherever. my gf saw the pics online yesterday on the drudge report's website, have we no more morals than that, than to make a decapitated mans picture available to his family and friends. there is no justification for that.

Yea I dont know what you do. Its just so horrible what is happening to the civilians over there. I don't know why anyone would want to be there.

i know halliburton or schlumburger, maybe both, are offering a whole lot of money to people that will go work over there. somewhere like 90-100,000 a year to drive a truck

Promoting world peace is our priority, instead of diving into wars. There are no reasons to start a war with another country, other than if they attack you or are an imminent threat. Personally I do not believe Iraq is or ever was a threat to the United States of America.



The war in Afghanistan to bring down the Al Quoeda was justified if in fact it was the one who was responsible for 9/11...they assumed responsibility for it, which was retarded if they werent, but they deserved being mowed down regardless of wether or not the US had really taken the time to devise a strategy to bring down the Al Quoeda...theyd just bomb the crap out of a mosque just cause there MIGHT be some Al Quoeda in there, makes for kick-ass video of gunships taking down 'the ennemy' but really doesnt solve the 9/11 dillemma.



And to awnser Shane. Tramell's question. Since we are just NORTH of the united states we tend to feel everything you feel having american citizens who live here and all. I live closer to 9/11 than some americans do, so i felt as if World War Three was upon us. So if I felt I was actually in danger from Iraq, I'd sign myself up right now to keep my family safe from being some unnamed charred remains.



But this is not world war three, the fate of the world is not at stake and I dont believe Iraq is completely justified.

My standing on the american beheading thing, sure it ******* sickens me, i saw a video and i almost puked, thinking of the guys family and ****. But this wouldnt have even happend if there was no war in the first place. There are atrocities in war, **** happends and people die. So it really is no surprise and im not appalled by this happening. Either way both sides are guilty of atrocities such as this and should have thought of the consequences before diving into war. This is just media exploitation to try to get nations who arent at war to join in...



it isnt working, so you are angry.