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Old 01-04-2004, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dysfnctnl85' date='Jan 4 2004, 01:03 AM
Yeah, it's a commercial holiday now.
LOL! The USA guages the health of its economy based purely on how much money poeple spend on Christmas.



My Brother in law and his wife decided this year not to buy gifts for each other and to take it easy with the kids. They are building a new home and need every penny for that.



That is not the first time I have heard people do that some are getting burnt out and too stressed over it all.
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Old 01-04-2004, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jims5543' date='Jan 4 2004, 12:56 AM
How about Easter and St. Valantines day (he invented the V-1 and I love him for that) and and and Holloween. (If there is no god then there is no devil, right?)
halloween is not a religious holiday and doesnt have anything to do with the devil, it deals with dead people reawakening.



and st. valentines day is a celebration for the saint named valentine, not god or jesus.



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Sweet, I'm the only Buddhist in here. It's like that wherever I go. Even my family are all Christian which makes it hard to get through to them at times.
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Originally Posted by Dysfnctnl85' date='Jan 3 2004, 08:39 PM
Not necessarily...the difference is in whether or not you believe in a God.



If you do, but you don't believe in religion per se, you're agnostic.



If you don't, you're athiest.
OOHHH!!!! so thats what it is... i never knew how to explain my beliefs.
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Google search does wonders.



http://www.historychannel.com/exhibits/val...ne/history.html



So, who was Saint Valentine and how did he become associated with this ancient rite? Today, the Catholic Church recognizes at least three different saints named Valentine or Valentinus, all of whom were martyred. One legend contends that Valentine was a priest who served during the third century in Rome. When Emperor Claudius II decided that single men made better soldiers than those with wives and families, he outlawed marriage for young men -- his crop of potential soldiers. Valentine, realizing the injustice of the decree, defied Claudius and continued to perform marriages for young lovers in secret. When Valentine's actions were discovered, Claudius ordered that he be put to death. Other stories suggest that Valentine may have been killed for attempting to help Christians escape harsh Roman prisons where they were often beaten and tortured.



According to one legend, Valentine actually sent the first 'valentine' greeting himself. While in prison, it is believed that Valentine fell in love with a young girl -- who may have been his jailor's daughter -- who visited him during his confinement. Before his death, it is alleged that he wrote her a letter, which he signed 'From your Valentine,' an expression that is still in use today. Although the truth behind the Valentine legends is murky, the stories certainly emphasize his appeal as a sympathetic, heroic, and, most importantly, romantic figure. It's no surprise that by the Middle Ages, Valentine was one of the most popular saints in England and France.
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I believe being agnostic also means you believe in the values of religion, such as the 10 commandments, but like already said, you don't believe in a particular religion as god's existance is unproven.
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Christianity has been kinked to holloween too.



http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Bluffs.../halloween.html



The ancient Celtic festival called Samhain is considered by many to be a predecessor of our contemporary Halloween. Samhain was the New Year's Day of the Celts and was celebrated on November 1st. It was a joyful harvest festival that marked the death of the old year and the beginning of a new one. It was also a day of the dead, a time when it was believed that the souls of those who had died during the year were allowed access to the land of the dead. It was related to the season, by Samhain the crops should be harvested and the animals brought in from the distant fields. Many traditional beliefs and customs were associated with Samhain. Most notable was that night was the time of the wandering dead, the practice of leaving offerings of food and drink to masked and costumed revelers, and the lighting of bonfires, continued to be practiced on October 31, known as the Eve of All Saints, the Eve of All Hallows, or Hallow Even. It is the glossing of the name Hallow Even that has given us the name Hallow e'en. Come evening, evil spirits were everywhere. Charms and spells were said to have more power on the eve of Samhain. The spirits of Samhain, once thought to be wild and powerful, were now said to be something worse: Evil. The church maintained that the gods and goddesses and other spiritual beings of traditional religions were diabolical deceptions, that the spiritual forces that people had experienced were real, but they were manifestations of the Devil, the Prince of Liars, who misled people toward the worship of false idols. Thus, the customs associated with Halloween included representations of ghosts and human skeletons--symbols of the dead--and of the devil and other malevolent, evil creatures, such as witches were said to be. The original festival for the pagan Lord of the Dead became a festival of Christian dead. People went on expecting the arrival of ghosts on Oct. 31st. Halloween has become one of the most widely celebrated festivals on the contemporary American calendar, and it is not even officially a holiday. No day off is given for Halloween, no federal decree is proclaimed establishing it as a national holiday. People just celebrate it!
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You dont want to see christmas' origin trust me.
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All I know is that 2004 years ago a alien died and we started our calender all over again.. and that all the mass in the Universe came from somwhere, but no human will probably ever know where. 90%+ of that mass is invisible and gives off no light so we can't see it and if you compare the mass of a single electon in a atom to the mass of our entire solar system. well that's what our solar system is compared to the milky way galexy and there are in theory millions of galexys out there that make ours galexy insignificant. So if you have to beleve in some form of god to try and explain why all of that is there then hey go for it. I'm just going to enjoy my time here playing on this electron...
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Originally Posted by teknics' date='Jan 4 2004, 12:14 AM
halloween is not a religious holiday and doesnt have anything to do with the devil, it deals with dead people reawakening.



and st. valentines day is a celebration for the saint named valentine, not god or jesus.



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Acutally it is, but it comes from several different sources. There's a Celtic holliday that coincides with it regarding the appeasement of the dead as well as the solistice that would occur somewhere around there.



There's also hallowsmass (however they spell it) that the Catholics do.



Wiccans have also "reclaimed" it. The go on about Sámhain (that's pronouced Sow-een or savrah depending on what Irish dialect you're dealing with) as if it means something secret when in fact the word means...NOVEMBER! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES IT'S NOVEMBER!



We know of course that it's about candy.
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