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Old 01-15-2009, 09:36 AM
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Court says evidence is valid despite police error



By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer Mark Sherman, Associated Press Writer – Wed Jan 14, 3:15 pm ET









WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court said Wednesday that evidence obtained after illegal searches or arrests based on simple police mistakes may be used to prosecute criminal defendants.



The justices split 5-4 along ideological lines to apply new limits to the court's so-called exclusionary rule, which generally requires evidence to be suppressed if it results from a violation of a suspect's Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable searches or seizure.

The conservative majority acknowledged that the arrest of Bennie Dean Herring of Alabama — based on the mistaken belief that there was a warrant for his arrest — violated his constitutional rights, yet upheld his conviction on federal drug and gun charges.



Coffee County, Ala., sheriff's deputies found amphetamines in Herring's pockets and an unloaded gun in his truck when they conducted a search following his arrest. It turned out that the warrant from neighboring Dale County had been recalled five months earlier, but the county sheriff's computers had not been updated.

Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the court, said the evidence may be used "when police mistakes are the result of negligence such as that described here, rather than systemic error or reckless disregard of constitutional requirements."



Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas sided with Roberts.

In a dissent for the other four justices, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the ruling "leaves Herring, and others like him, with no remedy for violations of their constitutional rights."

Ginsburg said accurate police record-keeping is of paramount importance, particularly with the widespread use of electronic databases. Justices Stephen Breyer, David Souter and John Paul Stevens also dissented.

Herring was arrested after a Coffee sheriff's employee asked her counterpart in Dale County whether Herring, called "no stranger to law enforcement" by Roberts, was wanted in Dale. An arrest warrant had been issued in Dale, but it had been recalled by July 2004.



The sheriff's electronic records, however, showed it was still a valid warrant.



Acting on that information, Coffee County deputies arrested and searched Herring.



The Dale employee meanwhile discovered the warrant was no longer valid and called Coffee County to say so. But it was too late for Herring.



Some courts have ruled that as a deterrent to police misconduct, the fruits of a similar search may be excluded from evidence.



But the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta said that suppressing evidence in Herring's case would be unlikely to deter sloppy record keeping.

The case is Herring v. U.S., 07-513.
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Did that even make it on CNN?



Who appointed the justices that voted for this?
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:12 AM
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101 John Paul Stevens IL April 20, 1920–present December 19, 1975–present —[sup][11][/sup] — Ford



103 Antonin Gregory Scalia VA March 11, 1936–present September 26, 1986–present — — Reagan



104 Anthony McLeod Kennedy CA July 23, 1936–present February 18, 1988–present — — Reagan



105 David Hackett Souter NH September 17, 1939–present October 9, 1990–present — — G. H. W. Bush



106 Clarence Thomas GA June 23, 1948–present October 23, 1991–present — — G. H. W. Bush



107 Ruth Bader Ginsburg NY March 15, 1933–present August 10, 1993–present — — Clinton



108 Stephen Gerald Breyer MA August 15, 1938–present August 3, 1994–present — — Clinton



109 John Glover Roberts, Jr. MD January 27, 1955–present September 29, 2005–present September 29, 2005–present — G. W. Bush



110 Samuel Anthony Alito NJ April 1, 1950–present January 31, 2006–present — — G. W. Bush
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:19 AM
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So Alito/GW, Kennedy/Reagan, Scalia/Reagan, Thomas/GHW, Roberts/GW



Gee BIG ******* SURPRISE. Reagan and GHW with their "war on drugs" should have been called "war on civil liberties and systematic destruction of the Bill of Rights"



Disgusting. 2 from Reagan and 3 from the Bush Crime Family
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:38 AM
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so basically now the officer can just say "Oh well i looked in the computer and there appeared to be a search warrant on file, must have been for some other guy, I must have had the name wrong, whoops my bad, honest mistake"
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they've been searching MY driveway for years!



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Old 01-15-2009, 11:23 AM
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Oh wow...that's a huge kick to your nuts. Any government official can just come in 'by accident' and nail anyone. Sucks for regular joes but its great for nailing illegal gangs and the whatnot.
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What difference does it make?



Dubya wasn't legally elected the first time and people were so upset that he got more votes the second time!
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Originally Posted by defprun' post='914630' date='Jan 15 2009, 12:23 PM
Oh wow...that's a huge kick to your nuts. Any government official can just come in 'by accident' and nail anyone. Sucks for regular joes but its great for nailing illegal gangs and the whatnot.


You cannot strip citizens of their rights in the name of "nailing illegal gangs" that's ******* rediculous. I am not a suspect I am tax paying citizen and I have a right to expect no unreasonable search of my property. You want the gestapo to have their paws all over your butt plugs? **** these **********ers could easily find **** on every one our laptops (yes especially mine) that would put us on a watch list or worse get us stuck in gitmo.



A gang is not "illegal" otherwise the NAACP, the NRA, the ACLU (yes i am a member of all of them) would by definition be in violation of the law... they are gangs or clubs. When a gang breaks the law, that act is illegal and that act alone allows for a legal search warrant to be issued. That warrant under the constitution cannot be a blanket warrant a warrant MUST be sepcific. They cannot get a warrant to search your house for drugs then arrest you for having guns BUT THEY DO.



You should have the right to an expectation of privacy, I should not fear the cops rifiling through my **** whenever they feel the need. I have a lot of things that aren't remotely illegal, but I don't want anyone locally to know I have them or know where I keep them. Gold, Food, guns, ammo. What do you think the cops would say after they went through my ****? "Oh if I am ever in need of gold, or ammo or food I know where to come" BULLSHIT. You think these crazy ******* aren't going to add me to the list of places to hit when the lights go out? First the mormons (which is fine by me) with their years worth of food, then me.



I'll say it again, our rights the rights that our forefathers fought for, gave their lives for should not and cannot be taken away at the expense of everyone in an effort to catch a limited few.
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Old 01-15-2009, 12:57 PM
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It is bullshit I wouldnt want anyone on my property for any reason no matter how big their ******* badge is. And it took like 30 years for them to get anything substantial to nail the Hell's Angels around here, having a proper reason to go through anyone's **** in Canada takes a while...maybe you should move here



I know youve mentioned they cant just randomly search your boat here either.
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