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epion2985 09-15-2003 03:26 PM

I was contemplating on things and I am beging to think it would be pretty nice to drop a skyline GTR in rx7 3rd gen. The GTR motor is powerfull and the rx7 body is light, great chasi and suspention. Sounds really good. Any opinions?

j9fd3s 09-15-2003 03:30 PM

yah but you realize that the gtr motor is soooooo heavy they take 66kg's off of the block alone and still go racing



mike

TheCamel 09-15-2003 03:48 PM

And you thought a rotary was expensive? believe me you want nothing to do with this project. By the time you get the RB26DETT shoehorned into the engine bay, with all the modifications nessecary to make it fast, your looking at an easy $35-40,000, and that is not including the car. For that price you could have a 20b, nice side port, with all the goodies and still whip the hell out of anything on the road around you. I could not even conceive the parts nightmare you would have just trying to do a conversion like this. Leave the RB's to their Nissan bodies and build the rotary instead.

epion2985 09-15-2003 03:59 PM

why do you think it will be so hard/expencive?

9Second7 09-15-2003 04:29 PM

The money you spend puttin that engine in the rx-7 you could get a 20b fully modified with t-88 turbo and all the goodies for less.

the project probably wont be too hard if your an experienced mechanic but it will cost alot of money.

rfreeman27 09-15-2003 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by epion2985' date='Sep 15 2003, 04:59 PM
why do you think it will be so hard/expencive?

Because these things dont jus "drop" in. Everything has to be custom made. Think of all the little parts you would have to manufacture, as well as the big ones like the engine subframe, tranny mounts, blah blah blah. The list goes on forever.



It would not be a worthwile swap.

fc3st2 09-15-2003 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by rfreeman27' date='Sep 15 2003, 01:57 PM
It would not be a worthwile swap.

yes, just look at SP Engineering "SUPRA 7" a rx-7 with a 2JZ.... looks cool but a well modified RX-7 with a rotory can do the same.... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif

FikseRxSeven 09-15-2003 05:15 PM

yeah the gtr's engine is more responsive to water injection with no intercooler.......



it will be expensive cuz everything is goin to have to be custom made

djgiantrobot 09-15-2003 06:05 PM

its also expensive because GTR parts aren't cheap even in japan, now just try to get them here....Listen to thecamel, he actually has a GTR so we would know. Plus i think dimensionally speaking the GTR motor is taller than would realistically fit in an FD. How fast is your 3rd gen now that you feel you won't be satisfied with the options for engines that will actually fit?

FrestyleFC3S 09-15-2003 08:51 PM

why do you have so many rotary and rx7 ideas that are soooo far off in left field ,.... when you dont have a car?

rfreeman27 09-15-2003 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by djgiantrobot' date='Sep 15 2003, 07:05 PM
its also expensive because GTR parts aren't cheap even in japan, now just try to get them here....Listen to thecamel, he actually has a GTR so we would know. Plus i think dimensionally speaking the GTR motor is taller than would realistically fit in an FD. How fast is your 3rd gen now that you feel you won't be satisfied with the options for engines that will actually fit?

He doesent have a rx7

rotary510 09-15-2003 10:29 PM


its also expensive because GTR parts aren't cheap even in japan, now just try to get them here....Listen to thecamel, he actually has a GTR so we would know. Plus i think dimensionally speaking the GTR motor is taller than would realistically fit in an FD. How fast is your 3rd gen now that you feel you won't be satisfied with the options for engines that will actually fit?


Not to mention that the RB26DETT is designed for the AWD skyline. Imagine converting an FD to AWD? Good luck. You could put the Skyline GT-s motor (RB25DET) but whats the point?

RussellTT94 09-15-2003 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by rotary510' date='Sep 15 2003, 11:29 PM
Not to mention that the RB26DETT is designed for the AWD skyline. Imagine converting an FD to AWD? Good luck. You could put the Skyline GT-s motor (RB25DET) but whats the point?

or you could take the easy way out, and make the RB26 RWD.



regardless, a RB in a FD is a dumb idea.

JT-Imports 09-15-2003 10:49 PM

PAIN-O-BUTT

Rotorn00b 09-15-2003 11:29 PM

lol first it was an 13b in a mr2 now an RB26DETT in a FD... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif

FrestyleFC3S 09-15-2003 11:43 PM

yea...weird

Dramon_Killer 09-15-2003 11:51 PM

So tell me. Whats a better engine for my skyline? A gallo 12 or a gallo 24?

ccarlisi 09-16-2003 12:02 AM

It's not such a bad idea. I love the sound of the skyline inline 6. they're not that expensive either. My friend bought a front clip recently for a couple grand. How does the height compare to the supra motor?

RussellTT94 09-16-2003 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by Dramon_Killer' date='Sep 16 2003, 12:51 AM
So tell me. Whats a better engine for my skyline? A gallo 12 or a gallo 24?

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif



i had to read that about 4 times before i finally got it

jspecracer7 09-16-2003 05:02 AM

I think the stock GT-R motor can only support 500 rwhp...you could get that easily in an FD...for half the cost of the swap.

Rotorn00b 09-16-2003 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by ccarlisi' date='Sep 15 2003, 09:02 PM
It's not such a bad idea. I love the sound of the skyline inline 6. they're not that expensive either. My friend bought a front clip recently for a couple grand. How does the height compare to the supra motor?

the price of getting it performing and doin the swap is, with that money you could have a great FD

epion2985 09-16-2003 11:54 AM

hm, perhaps I just dont want to rebuild my engine every year and looking for a way out of the "little" problem

rfreeman27 09-16-2003 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by epion2985' date='Sep 16 2003, 12:54 PM
hm, perhaps I just dont want to rebuild my engine every year and looking for a way out of the "little" problem

That was an ignorant statement.



https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/angry.png

epion2985 09-16-2003 03:21 PM

ok I am sorry that wasnt worded right. Lest put it this way, I want to run 600rwhp, and by run I mean not run to the store, well that too, but that inclides racing. Meaning the engine will be under alot of stress. how long can a 600rwhp rotary last?

wanta be boosted 09-16-2003 03:30 PM


yes, just look at SP Engineering "SUPRA 7" a rx-7 with a 2JZ.... looks cool but a well modified RX-7 with a rotory can do the same....






Yeah freakin right!!!!





There isn't any 2 rotor engine that could suport 1000 HP! Nor is there any 7 that could keep up with a modded supra7.





As for this swap, I am pretty sure it wouldn't be that hard. The worst part of it would be wireing the whole thing up, and I could do this swap for under $8000 grand (if I already had the car). You people really don't know the cost of things, or maybe you buying everything brand spankin new.



But a GTR front clip cost about 3-4 K, from Jarco. And it would come with pretty much everything you need to do the swap. That is if you keep it bone stock. And then to keep it cheap you would have to fabricate everything you self from scratch!!! And the RB26 probably isn't any taller than the 7MGTE, or 2JZ. So there wouldn't be much problem with physically fitting it, although you would PROBABLY have to cut the fire wall, and move the engine back some.





But if you can fabricate everything your self, and leave the engine stock, it woun't cost no stinkin 35,000-40,000 bucks!!! If I had that much to spend on my supra7, I could have a 6-7, 1/4 mile car.

rfreeman27 09-16-2003 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by epion2985' date='Sep 16 2003, 04:21 PM
ok I am sorry that wasnt worded right. Lest put it this way, I want to run 600rwhp, and by run I mean not run to the store, well that too, but that inclides racing. Meaning the engine will be under alot of stress. how long can a 600rwhp rotary last?

two words



20 B



euh i dont know that might be one word...but two syliables https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

wanta be boosted 09-16-2003 05:25 PM

Dig deep in your pockets, get an R26B https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

Munch,Munch pistons for lunch 09-16-2003 05:48 PM

I would like to see it be done

wanta be boosted 09-16-2003 05:53 PM

I would rather just have the GTR https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

R45 09-16-2003 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Rotorn00b' date='Sep 15 2003, 08:29 PM
lol first it was an 13b in a mr2 now an RB26DETT in a FD... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif

A friend in high school had a 90 MR2 with a 13b turbo in it. Fast as **** and cornered better then my 7. Only thing is it ate trannies for lunch.

rx7machine 09-16-2003 06:20 PM

That would definately be different, but I'd also stick with the 20B instead.

wanta be boosted 09-16-2003 06:22 PM


A friend in high school had a 90 MR2 with a 13b turbo in it. Fast as **** and cornered better then my 7. Only thing is it ate trannies for lunch.






What kinda tranny's did he use?



My brother is thinking of trying to put a 7MGTE (yes we love the 7M's around our house) in an MR2, and he was going to use some front wheel drive V6 toyota tranny, that bolts to the 7M.

FrestyleFC3S 09-16-2003 09:04 PM

epion your an idiot....u know what ur talking aobut with cars...but ur just dumb...



i dont want to rebuild the engine each year....blah blah blah....u dont know what ur talking about

FikseRxSeven 09-16-2003 09:06 PM

reminder for everyone...... the title of this forum is NOPISTONS!!!!

FiKsE l2X SeVeN Jr 09-16-2003 09:08 PM

yeah, as much as i'm against V8 conversions, why not use an LS6 engine than that...... and like other people said too.... there's always the 20B

TheCamel 09-16-2003 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by wanta be boosted' date='Sep 17 2003, 05:30 AM
Yeah freakin right!!!!





There isn't any 2 rotor engine that could suport 1000 HP! Nor is there any 7 that could keep up with a modded supra7.





As for this swap, I am pretty sure it wouldn't be that hard. The worst part of it would be wireing the whole thing up, and I could do this swap for under $8000 grand (if I already had the car). You people really don't know the cost of things, or maybe you buying everything brand spankin new.



But a GTR front clip cost about 3-4 K, from Jarco. And it would come with pretty much everything you need to do the swap. That is if you keep it bone stock. And then to keep it cheap you would have to fabricate everything you self from scratch!!! And the RB26 probably isn't any taller than the 7MGTE, or 2JZ. So there wouldn't be much problem with physically fitting it, although you would PROBABLY have to cut the fire wall, and move the engine back some.





But if you can fabricate everything your self, and leave the engine stock, it woun't cost no stinkin 35,000-40,000 bucks!!! If I had that much to spend on my supra7, I could have a 6-7, 1/4 mile car.

Do you realize the engine work needed to support 600 or even 1000hp on a RB26? and the transmission work? Let me tell you it is not cheap by any means, your looking at boring the block to a 2.7 or 2.8, custom pistons have to be procurred (good luck getting Arias or Wiseco to sell them to you they are under contract with HKS) aftermarket crankshaft, (good luck finding one under $2000) Then your looking at turbo(s) that can withstand the power levels, add in the custom oil pan to make the car RWD capable ( requires removal of the front differential assy from the oil pan) After gettign the block ready you have to find a R33 GTS25t transmission, and add in a new center plate (stock one is good for around 600) otherwise the case twists and breaks, hardened input and output shaft and a new gear set, custom cut and balanced driveshaft, not to mention the suspension modifications to drop this heavy monster into the engine bay (weighs the same as a chevy V8 when loaded with all the accesories) Not to mention all the chassis bracing that will be required. there is a lot of things you are not looking at that will need to be done, and why keep it stock? Just boosting up a 13bt in an FD will outperform the RB26DETT in stock form.

FiKsE l2X SeVeN Jr 09-16-2003 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by wanta be boosted' date='Sep 16 2003, 12:30 PM
There isn't any 2 rotor engine that could suport 1000 HP! Nor is there any 7 that could keep up with a modded supra7.

yo dipwad..... try saying that to abel ibarra when he was going 7's with a 13b.

JT-Imports 09-16-2003 10:53 PM

TheCamel---RB26s wont last long over 1000hp either, the blocks cant take it, I have seen quite a few of them warp. T51S will get you there with some MAJOR block work, but like I said it wont last long. TRANNY work OH DAMN I dont want to even get into that HAHAHA



TOO MUCH WORK



I think GTRs are slow. Nice ride at about 700hp, anything more and you will be broken every other day, any less and your starting to get smoked by other rides.





"wanta be boosted QUOTE:"

"There isn't any 2 rotor engine that could suport 1000 HP! Nor is there any 7 that could keep up with a modded supra7."



You might have to come to Japan some time hehe Im not saying I have seen 1000hp 2 rotors, but I will show you a couple 700hp FDs that will smoke check a few 1000hp supras

FikseRxSeven 09-16-2003 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by wanta be boosted' date='Sep 16 2003, 12:30 PM
Yeah freakin right!!!!





There isn't any 2 rotor engine that could suport 1000 HP! Nor is there any 7 that could keep up with a modded supra7.





As for this swap, I am pretty sure it wouldn't be that hard. The worst part of it would be wireing the whole thing up, and I could do this swap for under $8000 grand (if I already had the car). You people really don't know the cost of things, or maybe you buying everything brand spankin new.



But a GTR front clip cost about 3-4 K, from Jarco. And it would come with pretty much everything you need to do the swap. That is if you keep it bone stock. And then to keep it cheap you would have to fabricate everything you self from scratch!!! And the RB26 probably isn't any taller than the 7MGTE, or 2JZ. So there wouldn't be much problem with physically fitting it, although you would PROBABLY have to cut the fire wall, and move the engine back some.





But if you can fabricate everything your self, and leave the engine stock, it woun't cost no stinkin 35,000-40,000 bucks!!! If I had that much to spend on my supra7, I could have a 6-7, 1/4 mile car.

well, first of all..... who would need 1000hp? even so... if a supra has 1000hp, it will still get beaten by a 700hp rotary. second of all, custom fabrication and reliability?!? are you nuts? you dont have the proper research and development to make things reliable the first time around.



and talkin about 35-45g's...... i can have some australian people come to my house and watch them turn my car into a 1000hp pp20b

FiKsE l2X SeVeN Jr 09-16-2003 11:00 PM

i believe wanna be boosted just got https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683637.gif


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