Hey guys got several questions regarding a New Motor i planning

on getting soon.



well i am 98% sure that my FD has a blown motor.

SO I been doing research and calling around regarding

getting a new motor and getting it Streetported.

One Shop i called (won't name names) asked what I plan

on doing with the car, so I stated that basically its gonna

be a street car and to the Drag strip here and there.

So he said for my application, that street port wasn't neccessary.

and that it is possible to make FD3S's run 11's, 12's on

non ported motor. So I am kinda on the fence on getting

a port job or not.. He said it makes a lil more high end

power, but sacrifice lower end and iddle...

So the question is.. TO STREETPORT or NOT TO streeport??



Also.. The place I called quoated me 4100 for New reman motor

and labor with NO port job, BUT 4900 for the same, and to PORT

the motor.. I thought porting was a simple job and etc. Is 800

for a port job fair?? to much? or what??? is it worth it???



Next question: When I get a new motor, make my turbos NON

Sequential??? This is so ironic.. the person I spoke with was

the biggest TOUTER of NON sequential.. But the shop he works

for is a NON Believer of non sequential...So he was like.. WELL

this and that... so it makes me wonder.. GO NON Sequential

or NOT???



TO give you guys some input on my CARs MODS..

I'll list my mods:



93 R1 with 135K Orignial miles with BLown motor and turbos

HKS intake

HKS TwinPak ignition

Greddy Pulley Kit

M2 Downpipe

SR Midpipe

HKS SuperDragger CB

APEX PFC w/commander

Removed Airpump

Vacuum Hose

MR street/track clutch

mazdaspeed shortshift

Autormeter boost gauge

Autometer A/F gauge

Fan switch mod

99spec tail lights

Racing beat wing

19" rims

and and other stuf I cant think of..

$800 seems too much for a port. Shop around, many of the guys on this forum will know the right price and people...In australia we are usually looking at AUS$400 tops for intake and exhaust porting (but much cheaper for me as I do all my own!)



I would get some form of porting done while the motor is apart- may as well! You don't have to go crazy- just a small port will mean reasonable gains at the end of the day. Make sure you get it done by someone who knows what they're doing- you'll need intake and exhaust porting done to get the most benefit, although the FD ports are large from the factory.



If your turbos are shot, go single turbo- it'll probably cost less than or close to getting your twins rebuilt or replaced and much more potential power to be made with the right size turbo.



Now let's see what everyone else thinks... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

If it is for the street I would not port the engine. My engine is ported right now and i think when it goes out I will trade it for a non-ported engine. You lose gas mileage, idel is crap, and in my opinion you lose low end power. I stay under the rpm range that ported motors are made for so I guess it was pointless for my car to be ported.





Also $800 for a porting job? WHoa! Every place I have seen charges $300.

**** that...street port it. Go non-sequential. Get a FMIC. Tune it. You'll be WAY happy.



Whoever buys an FD for gas mileage? Any mods will make that go down. I'm to the point of getting about 13 miles to the gallon. You know what...who ******* cares. I beat the piss out of my engine day in, day out...and love it. You lose low end torque, gain top end HP. My idle is great at 900 rpms...just requires more finessing of the power FC to do this.

My Cousin says the same thing...But It is my daily driver and here gas is going for $1.80 and still going up. Theirs other ways I can achieve the same amount of power without porting it and save mileage. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

Sean, get the street port. Hands down.

Send me a PM and i'll let you get a ride in mine.



PFS might not like non sequential only becuase they don't make money from making guys cars non sequential. If you want a T78 then they are the place to go.

If you want non sequential, give me a call. It is much better IMO over the stock sequentail.

I would pay them for the engine and port work. Its well worth it. My ports are identiacal to their templates. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

I run 15 PSI and the car HAULS ASS!

ask Rikki, he tunned it.



D.

My Cousin says the same thing...But It is my daily driver and here gas is going for $1.80 and still going up. Theirs other ways I can achieve the same amount of power without porting it and save mileage. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png [/quote]

tune is so you get better gas mileage. It's not the port that gets you bad gas mileage, but the tuning. If I didn't have such a lead foot, I'd get WAY better gas mileage :P

I pay almost 5 dollars a gallon! And I am going BP https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif



If I want good gas mileage i'll drive a civic! The faster you go the more money you spend. OH WELL https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif

I'm sort of fucked when it comes to porting. We have to pass emissions here so is there a sized port that will still allow me to pass emissions while giving some reasonable power over stock ports?

The kind the has $$$$$ hooked up to it! With Franklins it will pass

Srce, I have seen a BRIDGEPORT pass emissions. Like I said, it's all about tuning. If you run 13.7 a/f at idle, you'll be fine. And anybody that says that's too lean, if you've never done it...don't talk. I run 13.7 a/f below boost. As soon as I hit 0 psi and am out of vacuum, I'm at 12 a/f immediately, and from there...11.2 and below once I'm deep into the boost.

THanks Guys..



I think i know what I am gonna do..



Which I originally wanted to do..



Streetport and go NON Sequential.



I just needed to reaffirm my decisions.



As soon as my AAA membership kicks in.

the FD gets towed to the shop..

hmmm but which one?? decisions decisions.

its down to PFS or Reactive. Just haven't called

RR yet.. WIL be doing that later today to see if

Dee wants the work or not...

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png how did you blow your motor if you dont mind me asking

Sean, I like non-seq but peter does not offer ot too customers. He is old school I guess. Anyhow the reason I told you to get a mana motor is due to the fact that you get a warranty with it. Race ported motors have no warranty. So that is that good luck.

I saw go single turbo if possible, non-seq if not.

Ryan is that you??? Don't use DBAR anymore??



Hmm i forgot about that.. the Warranty issue with the motor.

SO what you guys think? Port it with NO warranty or NO port

with Warranty.. Hmmm hmmmm Hmmm Help i am so undecided. Any input is welcome.......



How I blew my motor...

Well Last summer I basically raced it all summer long.

No problem no issue everything was Gravy...

One cool night on the way to work... I was just

minding my own business on the highway, going

maybe 65 mph... Then I come up to some jackass

going like 45, causing traffic. Then i find myself

kinda blocked it.. So I got pissed. BTW I was in 5th gear.

So I just kinda HIT it in 5th gear to pass this numbnut..

Then I heard the PING, then the car sounded like the exhaust

fell off, smoke and was barely staying alive...

She limped to where I parked her, and hasn't

started since...



I had 135k miles on original motor so it was due...

but now I am ready to bring her back to life,

and really pimp her out.

OPINION fellas...????



STreetport with NO warranty or NO streetport with 12 month warranty.

WEll Sean, you can still make good power without porting it. But if you are gonna be serious about going fast you should port it. I would take into consideration the tunning that will be needed.

If you are confident that it will be done properly then I would go ahead and port it. Honestly i know of a ceratin someone who got around a mana engine warante. Cough cough rikki

I personally say port it and go big but Im not your accountant either, casue if you blow it. You will have to at the very least pay someone to open it, inspect it and put new seals in a reassemble (if the rotors and housings dont get fucked up) Hell I could help you with that. If Rikki managed to assemble mine it can't be that bad. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

Its your call, but if it were me and I had the cash I would take it to PFS and tell them to port it. Did they say weather or not Ray or Peter would tune it for you? I don't know if that is part of the install ( setting you up with base maps) But you need to find out caus eif it isn't tuned your just gonna be throwing cash out the window. Just ask that DJ McCuwin.



D.

where are you getting the work done at?



Rotorsports ported my motor, and still gave me the 12 month, unlimited mileage warantee.

Yea I understand.



That TUNING is the most important thing..



See if I take it to PFS and they do the work..

I do not know if they are able to tune a PFC

as well as they do their Purple box...



I talked to Rikki, and he said that they can tune it.

and I asked if they had Data loggit.. and they didn't.

So not sure how they would tune it properly or not.



Anyone have a APEX Power fuel controller, that has been

tuned at PFS?? (peter farrell)??



Because other than DEE at Reactive racing, there isn't anyone

else reputable that knows how to tune PFC's around here.



Errr my AAA membership kicks in tommorrow, so I got 100 mile tow, for FREE and ready to get the FD fixed..



So guys, give me some insight before I drop the Hammer.

I'm sure they can manage to tune the car without hitches but will they stand behind their work?

What happens if the car blows up a week after the work is done?

See cause if you get them to do the port work and void the warrantee and they won't back their tunning then your left with your dick swinging in the brezze.

I don't think that they will stand behind it. But don't quote me on that.You need to ask them excatly what they will back up and what they will not. Ryan is a salesman and will sell you whatever he can. So beware that you know exactly what your buyin.

D.