Could this be the next gen RX7??



Let see what you guys thing of the look?



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ive never seen the first one before. The second one is the kabura, its a concept.

hideous what happened to smooth simple styling?

the next gen 7 will be the kabura, it was at the detroit auto show and took high makes in almost every thing. at the time it had the 2.0 motor in it and not rotary but the info i got from mazda when i was workin at the dealer was it was goin to come out has the gen 4 rx7 with a 3 rotor motor in it and not the turbo motor. now givin that info take it as you may as i didnt belive it myself and wont untill i see it in person on the dealership floors

i have also seen the kabura. not in person but through a lot of internet searching. it was scheduled to come out with the miata 2.0 motor. but now theres "talk" about a rotary being the power plant and calling it the new rx7. i want another R-powerd car. but not a 4th gen rx7. dont ruin the legacy. the rx8 was damage enough. (not bashing it, but the car is sub-par in my opinion)

if they do something, I still won't get one.

I recently went to Zoom ZOom live in ATL and their promotional video showed next gen rotary. It was all blurred out, but the outline of the car did look like Kabura.



I've always believed that 3 rotor should be brought back to production. Its the only way rotaries could compete with V8 cars such as Z06. If next gen does come out with 3 rotor NA and make over 350HP stock, I'll buy one:)

yeah me too. mileage is about 30% worse, but they sound great, and its got power!

I don't care for the look. Mazda has been getting funkier every year IMO. Essentially every car they sell no looks like a RX8 or some variation of it. I think they should hire a new design group, possibly and Italian to come up with something special for the RX7 moniker.

agree.. our new mx-5 looks like smaller vs. of rx8... and i'm not that fond of 8s.

lol...i had a dream last night that they came out with the new 3 rotor. i had swapped it into my FC. lol....rotor nut. YES!



the kabura is not that pleasing to the eyes. especially the rear end! i agree with a new design team. even the MP5, and mazda 3's look better. id get one of those with some R-power.

I also don;t like the looks of the Kabura. But if it comes with 3 rotor, I'm interested because of the engine and not much else. There is also speculation (from RotaryNews) that mazda might come out with just larger displacement 2 rotor (16B??). Who knows?? But if its 3 rotor based out of Renesis, it might be interesting.. Also there is a good chance stuff might be interchangeable between 13brew and the engine engine (Can we say lower the compression and FI it!). I just hope that recent 8 recalls not going to make Mazda/Ford from discontinuing rotary cars.... But who knows.

Whatever the new 7 looks like it will be sure to perform, and thats what I care about.

I have read a lot of hype in car magazines saying Mazda is going to re-release the Rx-7. When I saw that I honestly thought that the magazines were just trying to get people to buy into their magazine but…



Do you really think they would re-release the Rx-7???



If so, Mazda has a lot to live up to.



I definitely wouldn’t mind them releasing another rotary car that would be great! Although anyone else think they should call it something else if they do?



Crossing my fingers for a 3 rotor https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

about 2.5 years ago, I heard from someone that used to work for Mazda R&D telling me it was going to be called RX-9... And that rumors been around since. So, who knows?? Either its called 7 or 9, I just hope its going to be 3 rotor instead of 2. If its 2, no way I'm getting it (most likely renesis based).

man...just the thought of a 16b. damn. but i like the idea of a 20b being accesible to the US. no more front clip searching. plus...i always been attracted to NA rotarys. and if mazda creates a good car to match the motor. maybe more aftermarket following the rotary revolution. were short on products compared to others. more R-powerd cars means more attention. i cant wait. but this is reminding me of the rx8. hearing talk about a new rx7. seeing concept pics. talking about a 3 rotor. i hope they do better this time...

rx8's are just dissapointing. if they revive the 7, it should at least resemble a 7, not look like an 8. maybe come with a 3 rotor, possibly with turbo(s)? i might would buy one. but if it looks like an 8, i could care less.

i'm more interested in the 3 rotor, larger 2 rotor isnt gonna cut it, emissions and mileage will make that choice for us though.



on the subject of recalls, this latest one hasn't been nearly as bad as it seemed. so far out of the 50ish cars we've done, we have had one that was borderline

Would'nt it be an Rx9 ?

That, or they should just go back to what freakin worked!! Let's be honest... The FD STILL owns 95% of the better affordable cars on the street. The new vettes are nice... um... wait, that's about it right? Pretty much everything else on the road is a TURD.



Oh - hi everyone. Figured I'd stop by. Still trying to convince the office that nopistons is work related. They haven't bought it for 2 years...

Looks like freeze dried ass.

The Kabuta, Kamoto whatever is a 3 seat car. From what i've read they want to repeat history and start with a NA 7 but whether it will be the akimoto, don't know. I read the next engine was supposed to be a 15B and wondered if so then why did the 8 have one. I don't see how they can stuff a 3 rotor in to the yamamoto which is the size of a civic hatchback. I await the day we can do 16B turbo swaps as easily as a B18 Integra/Civic swap.

8 has 15B? Thats a news to me.

Also, 3 rotor 20B NA wouldnt be hard to stuff into a civic size car. I don't know if you seen one in FB, but they don't take up much space (less than a foot longer than normal 13B).

1.8 miata engine is 21" bellhousing mount to front pulley, 20b is 22".... its not a big engine



my tr-3 engine is 24"

no the rx8 is not a 15b. it sais 13b on the core. and i would love a 15-16b whatever. imagine that as a 3 rotor. a rotor torque machine!



so much speculation...why dont they just release there plans!? ass holes!

Well for the same reason they did a 2-rotor for the FD instead of a 3-rotor is because of weight. That's the reason of them cosidering a 15B. But as I mistyed above, why didn't they do that allready with the RX8?



The engline layout is different on the renesis, so a 3-rotor renesis could have fitment issues becuase of the intake and if it gets a turbo with the nose have to be streched out to enlarge the engine bay?

because they want to keep us interested (like we wouldnt be if we found out) https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif

Ha?? Actually, if you look at Acosta 3 rotor swap, it fits very nicely in 8. Also true peripheral intake doesn't take much space, as renesis intake set up.

I guess you really haven't seen 3 rotor in person. Its literally a rotor housing and plate longer than 2 rotor. It really isn't much longer than 13b and most people with 3 rotor FD (less space than 8) did it without much modification of elongating the nose.



Also, regarding your statement about why mazda went with 2 vs 3... who knows.. but I don't think its because of weight.. Mazda and most japanese companies have agreed to followed the gentlemens agreement. Which stated that no cars will have above 280HP. It could of been easily b/c mazda thought its pointless to put 3 rotor into a car to make under 280HP and increase production cost to put 3 rotor. Don't forget, Mazda care more about how to save money during production than making high HP. Also 3 rotor set up only increase the weight by 50-100lbs.

Mazda has been saying for many many years they where going to bring the Rx7 back but I'll believe it when I see it. as far as that concept its looks like total ****! I think mazda hasn't built a car thats looks anything like a "true sports" car since the fd. the rx8 is a good family sports ..uuhhhh N/m it sucks too... 4 doors no matter how much you hide em is still gonna be a rotary powered accord. Mazda really does need a new design team. they need to realize that are a car company and not NASA

I think you guys complaining about the rx-8 should think a bit first, in the long run it's probably done more for the rotary engine than any car in history - think about what would happen if it wasn't such a huge success, you think ford would let mazda continue throwing money at spinning triangles? We wouldn't even be talking about a new rx-7 if it wasn't for the 8 https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.gif

from personal experience they didnt have a 3 rotor because its too hot, and too thirsty....



remember the heat from an fd? the 20b is worse, 11mpg is easy too....



the original rx8's (the us spec jc cosmo test cars) set the carpets on fire....

to what inanimate object said. marketing wise the rx8 has helped to keep the rotary alive but at the same time it made the rx program has become more loose on their expectations and produced a 4 door with less power, more weight and not as responsive handling. I'm glad they made it even though I'm not impressed with the looks. its just that It seems like they aren't giving all they have anymore and Its dissapointing and yea the looks don't really look like much like a car anymore either

I don't think it's fair to say the guy's at mazda aren't giving all they have, I doubt that deducing that a niche model as different as the rx-8 would work was easy! Sure they could have made a much faster and more focused car, but would they have sold nearly as many? Sucks when enthusiasts like us are the car buying minority, I'd be willing to bet the engineers at mazda share that opinion too https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.gif

You have to look at what the companies want... to sell cars!

Their goal isn't to meet 1-5% of the population who want fast impractical cars. They are trying to meet the mass market, who has family, looking for mid 20s to 30k in value, comfortable, nice looking, and all purpose cars... This is Why RX8 has 4 seats and 4 doors... Why it has all the air bags in every corner?? Why it has traction control and fucks up on dyno?? Seriously, general population don't get on this forum and think how they could lighten their car or what can i do to go faster..





Also, if you look at current emission standards, it needs to have clean exhaust gas. thats why it need couple of cats and crap load of junk underneath. Do I think its a great engineered car?? Of course!!! Do I think its a sports car like the FD?? NO! But it is what it is. A great handling, 4 seater, with unique engine.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif So we agree then? Sounds awfully like we're arguing https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

I agree that the Kabura concept is ill conceived and strongly hope that it doesn't go into production as the next RX-7. I think in order to get an "RX-9" into production Mazda(Ford) will have to utilize the MX-5 unibody to save money and throw in a Renesis 13B with a single turbo attached. It shouldn't be all that hard to pass emission standards if they utilize some of the emissions components from the RX-8. Fuel economy standards and emissions are what are killing any future rotary engine cars. Perhaps we'll see another version of the Rx-7 go into production when fuel cell vehicles go into full productio as the fuel will be inexpensive and much cleaner. Didn't Mazda test a hydrogen powered RX-8?

I got a word from Mazda Dealership here in town today that they heard about the new RX9. He wasn't 100% but he said it will be supercharged or turbo's.. but he thinks it will be supercharged rotary. Can't wait to see it!

I can't wait to go to the Mazda dealership in the 6 and drool all over a RX9 since I'm in over my head with my third gen.

yeah, my dealer has been spittin that crap for 2 years.



honestly i dont take much stock in anything they say

I'm thinking that when it's all said and done it will probably be a 3-rotor hybrid in order to meet the strict fuel and emissions requirements that keep trying to phase the rotary engine out. With any luck this will be the case and one of the major aftermarket companies will create an ecu that will allow everyone to delete the hybrid componentry and batteries. If not then I'm sure that an individual will work it out and post vague instructions on the modifications.