New Rebuild, Oil Everywhere :(
06-08-2005, 10:29 AM
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Jost posted on rx7club, but thought I would give you guys a try and see if you had any input. OK, so here's the story... just rebuilt my engine and converted it over to a t60-1 single turbo setup. Just put the motor back in and reconnected everything over the past month or so. I finally get the uim bolted back on and everything hooked up so I go ahead and decided to try and start her up (maybe a bad idea, since quite a few sensors were not yet connected like 02, tps sensors, and a couple others...) but non the less I tired.
I used atf fluid to build good compression, cranked over and it would run up to like 2-3 grand and die instantly. White smoke was pouring out the exaust, which I figured would be typical with all the vasoline and atf fluid that was in there from the assembly process. So finally she starts up and hangs around 3 or so when. I glance at my oil pressure guage and notice ther is zero oil pressure, but when I was cranking it before and it was trying to start it was jumping up to aroung 100 or so.
I get out and look under the car and there is a bloodbath of oil under the car. First thing I check is my oil cooler lines, turbo feed lines, and block off plate to rear oil feed. It seems though that something is actually spraying large amounts of oil as it is on top of the engine, on my hood, everywhere, but I cant seeem to detemine the source.
I don't know if you guys are at all like me, but when something like this happens I always fear for the worst. Its not possible that my motor that ran for only a minute or so I already toast is it? Like maybe I seriously screwed something up in the rebuild? I took my time and followed the shop manual and bruces video, so I doubt this to be the case but who knows.
Any input as where to start would be helpful... thanks.
I used atf fluid to build good compression, cranked over and it would run up to like 2-3 grand and die instantly. White smoke was pouring out the exaust, which I figured would be typical with all the vasoline and atf fluid that was in there from the assembly process. So finally she starts up and hangs around 3 or so when. I glance at my oil pressure guage and notice ther is zero oil pressure, but when I was cranking it before and it was trying to start it was jumping up to aroung 100 or so.
I get out and look under the car and there is a bloodbath of oil under the car. First thing I check is my oil cooler lines, turbo feed lines, and block off plate to rear oil feed. It seems though that something is actually spraying large amounts of oil as it is on top of the engine, on my hood, everywhere, but I cant seeem to detemine the source.
I don't know if you guys are at all like me, but when something like this happens I always fear for the worst. Its not possible that my motor that ran for only a minute or so I already toast is it? Like maybe I seriously screwed something up in the rebuild? I took my time and followed the shop manual and bruces video, so I doubt this to be the case but who knows.
Any input as where to start would be helpful... thanks.
06-08-2005, 12:13 PM
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[quote name='m0nk3yracer' date='Jun 8 2005, 11:29 AM']Jost posted on rx7club, but thought I would give you guys a try and see if you had any input. OK, so here's the story... just rebuilt my engine and converted it over to a t60-1 single turbo setup. Just put the motor back in and reconnected everything over the past month or so. I finally get the uim bolted back on and everything hooked up so I go ahead and decided to try and start her up (maybe a bad idea, since quite a few sensors were not yet connected like 02, tps sensors, and a couple others...) but non the less I tired.
I used atf fluid to build good compression, cranked over and it would run up to like 2-3 grand and die instantly. White smoke was pouring out the exaust, which I figured would be typical with all the vasoline and atf fluid that was in there from the assembly process. So finally she starts up and hangs around 3 or so when. I glance at my oil pressure guage and notice ther is zero oil pressure, but when I was cranking it before and it was trying to start it was jumping up to aroung 100 or so.
I get out and look under the car and there is a bloodbath of oil under the car. First thing I check is my oil cooler lines, turbo feed lines, and block off plate to rear oil feed. It seems though that something is actually spraying large amounts of oil as it is on top of the engine, on my hood, everywhere, but I cant seeem to detemine the source.
I don't know if you guys are at all like me, but when something like this happens I always fear for the worst. Its not possible that my motor that ran for only a minute or so I already toast is it? Like maybe I seriously screwed something up in the rebuild? I took my time and followed the shop manual and bruces video, so I doubt this to be the case but who knows.
Any input as where to start would be helpful... thanks.
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Well on rx7club you said you used black rtv on the oil cooler lines instead of crush washers so that definitely is your problem.
I used atf fluid to build good compression, cranked over and it would run up to like 2-3 grand and die instantly. White smoke was pouring out the exaust, which I figured would be typical with all the vasoline and atf fluid that was in there from the assembly process. So finally she starts up and hangs around 3 or so when. I glance at my oil pressure guage and notice ther is zero oil pressure, but when I was cranking it before and it was trying to start it was jumping up to aroung 100 or so.
I get out and look under the car and there is a bloodbath of oil under the car. First thing I check is my oil cooler lines, turbo feed lines, and block off plate to rear oil feed. It seems though that something is actually spraying large amounts of oil as it is on top of the engine, on my hood, everywhere, but I cant seeem to detemine the source.
I don't know if you guys are at all like me, but when something like this happens I always fear for the worst. Its not possible that my motor that ran for only a minute or so I already toast is it? Like maybe I seriously screwed something up in the rebuild? I took my time and followed the shop manual and bruces video, so I doubt this to be the case but who knows.
Any input as where to start would be helpful... thanks.
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Well on rx7club you said you used black rtv on the oil cooler lines instead of crush washers so that definitely is your problem.
06-08-2005, 01:48 PM
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[quote name='jsplit' date='Jun 8 2005, 01:13 PM']Well on rx7club you said you used black rtv on the oil cooler lines instead of crush washers so that definitely is your problem.
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yep I'd deff say to look into that. When i installed my motor, I had put the crush washer in on a angle and it was leaking decently bad, but if you used RTV ... then um
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06-08-2005, 03:22 PM
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[quote name='nopistons94' date='Jun 8 2005, 02:48 PM'] yep I'd deff say to look into that. When i installed my motor, I had put the crush washer in on a angle and it was leaking decently bad, but if you used RTV ... then um
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And if this is the motor you did for the black one you sold my friend, it is already leaking oil somewhere...
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And if this is the motor you did for the black one you sold my friend, it is already leaking oil somewhere...
06-08-2005, 04:08 PM
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[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='Jun 8 2005, 04:22 PM']And if this is the motor you did for the black one you sold my friend, it is already leaking oil somewhere...
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not something I did, we fixed everything with RTV before i sent it out
But seriously, put some crush washers in there please
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not something I did, we fixed everything with RTV before i sent it out
But seriously, put some crush washers in there please
06-08-2005, 09:51 PM
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[quote name='nopistons94' date='Jun 8 2005, 03:08 PM']not something I did, we fixed everything with RTV before i sent it out
But seriously, put some crush washers in there please
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thanks guys... havent put them in yet but got some on the way home from work. Yeah, it was a last minute effort to get the thing together but obviously shortcuts are not the answer. Ill let you know how it turns out.
But seriously, put some crush washers in there please
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thanks guys... havent put them in yet but got some on the way home from work. Yeah, it was a last minute effort to get the thing together but obviously shortcuts are not the answer. Ill let you know how it turns out.
06-09-2005, 09:30 AM
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Your just lucky me and Joe are nice guys. You sold him a car with a bent frame and an oil leak (evident merely by putting parts back on and running the car for more than 10 minutes...) saying the complete opposite about the car, if you sold it to anyone else you'd be getting a lot of angry phone calls or an ***-whoopin.
Nonetheless, his body shop guy is adjusting the frame and painting it, given Joe has already fixed the dimpled rear 1/4 panel and smoothed most of the car out, and ordered trim pieces to fit on after the re-paint....
Nonetheless, his body shop guy is adjusting the frame and painting it, given Joe has already fixed the dimpled rear 1/4 panel and smoothed most of the car out, and ordered trim pieces to fit on after the re-paint....
06-09-2005, 10:47 AM
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[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='Jun 9 2005, 10:30 AM']Your just lucky me and Joe are nice guys. You sold him a car with a bent frame and an oil leak (evident merely by putting parts back on and running the car for more than 10 minutes...) saying the complete opposite about the car, if you sold it to anyone else you'd be getting a lot of angry phone calls or an ***-whoopin.
Nonetheless, his body shop guy is adjusting the frame and painting it, given Joe has already fixed the dimpled rear 1/4 panel and smoothed most of the car out, and ordered trim pieces to fit on after the re-paint....
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you sir are an Idiot. Do I have to post pictures of the condition in which the car was in? I never had the frame inspected nor the rest of the car, you saw it was not sitting in the body shop yet, It WAS awaiting repair next door though wasn't it? My dad would not have let me buy a car with a bent frame if we noticed it when we bought the car, but we too didn't notice it but we would have once we starte assembling it.
Why don't you try buying a FD that is 100% apart and try putting it back together as good as me and my dad did.. stop crying about a small little oil leak some where, me and my dad fixed 2 of them and it didn't leak oil in the bodyshop or in the spot it was in my garage at all after that so.. But if you want to keep arguing about it, don't keep doing it on the internet.
Im just glad that someone Like Joe got the car, because he basically was going to do the same thing I did, instead of someone else getting it and parting it out. FD's are money pits, ESPECIALLY when you buy a project FD. How much was the frame bent anyway?
And Im sure it wasn't the whole frame of the car, just the radiator support frame... am I correct ??
Nonetheless, his body shop guy is adjusting the frame and painting it, given Joe has already fixed the dimpled rear 1/4 panel and smoothed most of the car out, and ordered trim pieces to fit on after the re-paint....
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you sir are an Idiot. Do I have to post pictures of the condition in which the car was in? I never had the frame inspected nor the rest of the car, you saw it was not sitting in the body shop yet, It WAS awaiting repair next door though wasn't it? My dad would not have let me buy a car with a bent frame if we noticed it when we bought the car, but we too didn't notice it but we would have once we starte assembling it.
Why don't you try buying a FD that is 100% apart and try putting it back together as good as me and my dad did
Im just glad that someone Like Joe got the car, because he basically was going to do the same thing I did, instead of someone else getting it and parting it out. FD's are money pits, ESPECIALLY when you buy a project FD. How much was the frame bent anyway?
And Im sure it wasn't the whole frame of the car, just the radiator support frame... am I correct ??
06-09-2005, 10:58 AM
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[quote name='nopistons94' date='Jun 9 2005, 11:47 AM']you sir are an Idiot. Do I have to post pictures of the condition in which the car was in? I never had the frame inspected nor the rest of the car, you saw it was not sitting in the body shop yet, It WAS awaiting repair next door though wasn't it? My dad would not have let me buy a car with a bent frame if we noticed it when we bought the car, but we too didn't notice it but we would have once we starte assembling it.
Why don't you try buying a FD that is 100% apart and try putting it back together as good as me and my dad did.. stop crying about a small little oil leak some where, me and my dad fixed 2 of them and it didn't leak oil in the bodyshop or in the spot it was in my garage at all after that so.. But if you want to keep arguing about it, don't keep doing it on the internet.
Im just glad that someone Like Joe got the car, because he basically was going to do the same thing I did, instead of someone else getting it and parting it out. FD's are money pits, ESPECIALLY when you buy a project FD. How much was the frame bent anyway?
And Im sure it wasn't the whole frame of the car, just the radiator support frame... am I correct ??
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Wow. Relax. I'm not an idiot. Both you and your father said the frame is completely straight. I'll give you the number for Brett, the reputable body shop guy Joe is using, you can argue with him whether or not it is.
I'm not crying in the least, in fact, neither is joe. Neither of us have cared to complain about it or anything, all I did was finally mention it to you, and now you're writing a three paragraph response calling me an idiot in "defense".
Right, Joe was the best buyer for the car. Me and him like a challenge, but the two things I mentioned aren't hard to discover and you HAVE to agree that only ever since you've sold him the car you will not answer his calls with innocent questions about the car, saying your busy but then you call me to say "whatsup". Put those two together and it does sound shady, doesn't it? But I know you're an upstanding guy otherwise, and didn't think it was like you to do that. So I merely informed you of it, and how anyone else would have at least gotten angry, IMO. But I'm not angry, or even "crying"...so seriously...relax.
We're still on our way to further reviving her (as you started ) and someday she'll be riding right behind your white one with my ugly MBM in hot pursuit
Why don't you try buying a FD that is 100% apart and try putting it back together as good as me and my dad did
Im just glad that someone Like Joe got the car, because he basically was going to do the same thing I did, instead of someone else getting it and parting it out. FD's are money pits, ESPECIALLY when you buy a project FD. How much was the frame bent anyway?
And Im sure it wasn't the whole frame of the car, just the radiator support frame... am I correct ??
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Wow. Relax. I'm not an idiot. Both you and your father said the frame is completely straight. I'll give you the number for Brett, the reputable body shop guy Joe is using, you can argue with him whether or not it is.
I'm not crying in the least, in fact, neither is joe. Neither of us have cared to complain about it or anything, all I did was finally mention it to you, and now you're writing a three paragraph response calling me an idiot in "defense".
Right, Joe was the best buyer for the car. Me and him like a challenge, but the two things I mentioned aren't hard to discover and you HAVE to agree that only ever since you've sold him the car you will not answer his calls with innocent questions about the car, saying your busy but then you call me to say "whatsup". Put those two together and it does sound shady, doesn't it? But I know you're an upstanding guy otherwise, and didn't think it was like you to do that. So I merely informed you of it, and how anyone else would have at least gotten angry, IMO. But I'm not angry, or even "crying"...so seriously...relax.
We're still on our way to further reviving her (as you started
