More bad luck with the oil pedestals...
01-03-2006, 09:20 AM
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I see this topic has been busy in my absence...lol
Anyway, I just think that mine could have had a lot smaller weld around both areas. I don't thnk all that penetration was necessary. I'm not pissed because I don't think the welds are sound. I'm pissed because he took a nice looking piece and made it fucked up looking. Plus I don't want to waste all afternoon putting the damn thing on for a chance it might not leak. Even if it didn't leak I'd still be pissed because it looks like ***.
I'm still waiting on my returned pm too...
Anyway, I just think that mine could have had a lot smaller weld around both areas. I don't thnk all that penetration was necessary. I'm not pissed because I don't think the welds are sound. I'm pissed because he took a nice looking piece and made it fucked up looking. Plus I don't want to waste all afternoon putting the damn thing on for a chance it might not leak. Even if it didn't leak I'd still be pissed because it looks like ***.
I'm still waiting on my returned pm too...
01-04-2006, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by artowar' post='791656' date='Jan 3 2006, 05:02 AM
Regarding my pedestal, I am attempting to return it. We'll see whether Daniel is honoring returns (other than Scrub's).
Have you got your reply yet? I've still not got a reply. I'm thinking maybe he's avoiding us... I've seen him on the thread so I know he's reading it.
01-05-2006, 12:55 AM
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I think it would have sealed fine...
what do you think makes the thing seal on the stock peice?
yeap, that would be the o-ring.
what do you think makes the thing seal on the stock peice?
yeap, that would be the o-ring.
01-05-2006, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rfreeman27' post='792090' date='Jan 5 2006, 03:55 PM
I think it would have sealed fine...
what do you think makes the thing seal on the stock peice?
yeap, that would be the o-ring.
But no one wants to believe me now since I don't own a 3rd Gen anymore
01-05-2006, 08:08 AM
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Heath the size of the weld is determined by the thickness of the material to be welded, aluminum requires more heat input than any other material which creates a larger weld bead. Proper penetration is necessary for proper welds. Your part is not messed up looking. As I said before they were NOT polished in the first place nor were they originally advertised as polished, after the welding polishing was not going to be conducted after the upgrade was performed. Billet does not refer to a polished piece, but a raw piece of material in its natural state. From the pictures the welds look like a typical tig weld; evenly spaced beads with the oxides removed around the welds, cannot get much better than that.
Artowar,
This was apart of the upgrade, welding the center post and external bung, you part is not defective. The original upgrade statement from the manufacturer sent out 11/02/05:
As a continued effort to supply the best products possible we would like to offer an upgrade to an existing product you have purchased. This upgrade involves the permanent attachment of the filter thread and/or the banjo fitting on the replacement oil pedestal you purchased. This is a voluntary upgrade that will be performed free of charge for you our customer. A singular report of failure on the filter thread post was brought to our attention. We are unclear of all the circumstances related to this failure, but this upgrade is how all future pedestals will be manufactured. You may at your discretion and piece of mind remove the part and ship it back to us for update.
As I told Heath, all complaints are to be directed to the manufacturer. The upgrade was voluntary; offered and conducted by the manufacturer for piece of mind against failure. You sent the pedestal to the manufacturer for the upgrade, therefore if you are dissatisfied with the upgrade contact the manufacturer.
Heath, if I were avoiding you I would not be coming on to this board, rather I have been addressing my concerns with the manufacturer (just as I encouraged all of you), which he will be chiming in here shortly.
Artowar,
Instead, my pedestal is now defective in the manner that the center post has been welded to the base.
This was apart of the upgrade, welding the center post and external bung, you part is not defective. The original upgrade statement from the manufacturer sent out 11/02/05:
As a continued effort to supply the best products possible we would like to offer an upgrade to an existing product you have purchased. This upgrade involves the permanent attachment of the filter thread and/or the banjo fitting on the replacement oil pedestal you purchased. This is a voluntary upgrade that will be performed free of charge for you our customer. A singular report of failure on the filter thread post was brought to our attention. We are unclear of all the circumstances related to this failure, but this upgrade is how all future pedestals will be manufactured. You may at your discretion and piece of mind remove the part and ship it back to us for update.
Note how the weld(s) burned through to and are blocking the inside of the center passage.
As I told Heath, all complaints are to be directed to the manufacturer. The upgrade was voluntary; offered and conducted by the manufacturer for piece of mind against failure. You sent the pedestal to the manufacturer for the upgrade, therefore if you are dissatisfied with the upgrade contact the manufacturer.
Heath, if I were avoiding you I would not be coming on to this board, rather I have been addressing my concerns with the manufacturer (just as I encouraged all of you), which he will be chiming in here shortly.
01-05-2006, 09:06 AM
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As I stated before, I don't feel like it's my responsibility to contact the manufacturer. See my Wal-mart remark earlier. When I have a problem with something at Wal-mart I return it to them and not the manufacturer.
So are you saying you are not going to make this right?
So are you saying you are not going to make this right?
01-05-2006, 09:29 AM
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Guys,
My name is Billy Waits from MRC Manufacturing / ReSpeed. We are the company that manufactures the oil replacement pedestal you guys purchased through Daniel. We were informed by Daniel about a failure a few months back. At that time we initiated a voluntary upgrade to the pedestals. Though at that point nor since have we heard of any other failures.
Daniel is very educated in Tig welding and all the answers he has posted to your questions and comments are correct. The one complaint about the blockage is extremely well founded. I did not catch that before shipping the part back to you. I should have caught it and rectified it before shipping. I apologize. The other aspects I feel are normal. I feel the welds are perfectly acceptable and the penetration is good. I feel the "general perception" of a tig weld has lead to the belief these welds are not normal. There are many factors in tig welding aluminum and these parts reflect two of them. The size of the weld is a factor of how thick the material being welded is and the oil filter bung welds are a factor of the small tight space the welding had to be performed in. The white area around the welds is normal as well.
Even though we feel the parts were upgraded just as described in our release. Even though the upgrade was voluntary. Even though we offered and performed the upgrade free of charge. We will offer two options for the customers who had pedestals upgraded and are unsatisfied. First, we will supply you with a new pedestal, built to our new specs. Second, we will offer a credit with ReSpeed for the original purchase amount minus shipping charges. The next run of pedestals will be manufactured in one piece minus the 3rd gen specific bung that will be tig welded in place. They will be available in early February.
Before you make your choice from above, we suggest you wait a week or so. Our new site will be up and running in a few days and will offer more options for you. Either choice you make you will be required to send the upgraded pedestal back to us. We reserve the right to sell the returned pedestal as a used part. You will need to email me at pedestal@mrcmfg.com with your name, address and email address before you mail the pedestal back. You will need the return number we supply in a return email to qualify for the new part or credit.
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Any customer wishing to send a pedestal in for upgrade will have to agree to the new terms:
The pedestal will be dis-assembled and cleaned, welded, the internal area will be sand blasted. The "auto cleaning" whitening around the weld will be normal. All studs and threaded plugs must be removed before the pedestal is sent.
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-billy
http://www.mrcmfg.com/respeed
ReSpeed@mrcmfg.com
My name is Billy Waits from MRC Manufacturing / ReSpeed. We are the company that manufactures the oil replacement pedestal you guys purchased through Daniel. We were informed by Daniel about a failure a few months back. At that time we initiated a voluntary upgrade to the pedestals. Though at that point nor since have we heard of any other failures.
Daniel is very educated in Tig welding and all the answers he has posted to your questions and comments are correct. The one complaint about the blockage is extremely well founded. I did not catch that before shipping the part back to you. I should have caught it and rectified it before shipping. I apologize. The other aspects I feel are normal. I feel the welds are perfectly acceptable and the penetration is good. I feel the "general perception" of a tig weld has lead to the belief these welds are not normal. There are many factors in tig welding aluminum and these parts reflect two of them. The size of the weld is a factor of how thick the material being welded is and the oil filter bung welds are a factor of the small tight space the welding had to be performed in. The white area around the welds is normal as well.
Even though we feel the parts were upgraded just as described in our release. Even though the upgrade was voluntary. Even though we offered and performed the upgrade free of charge. We will offer two options for the customers who had pedestals upgraded and are unsatisfied. First, we will supply you with a new pedestal, built to our new specs. Second, we will offer a credit with ReSpeed for the original purchase amount minus shipping charges. The next run of pedestals will be manufactured in one piece minus the 3rd gen specific bung that will be tig welded in place. They will be available in early February.
Before you make your choice from above, we suggest you wait a week or so. Our new site will be up and running in a few days and will offer more options for you. Either choice you make you will be required to send the upgraded pedestal back to us. We reserve the right to sell the returned pedestal as a used part. You will need to email me at pedestal@mrcmfg.com with your name, address and email address before you mail the pedestal back. You will need the return number we supply in a return email to qualify for the new part or credit.
***************************************
Any customer wishing to send a pedestal in for upgrade will have to agree to the new terms:
The pedestal will be dis-assembled and cleaned, welded, the internal area will be sand blasted. The "auto cleaning" whitening around the weld will be normal. All studs and threaded plugs must be removed before the pedestal is sent.
****************************************
-billy
http://www.mrcmfg.com/respeed
ReSpeed@mrcmfg.com
01-05-2006, 03:53 PM
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So in other words from now on a nice billet aluminum part will look like ***... ******* great. What am I going to be able to use a credit on anyway??? Absolutely ******* nothing. Just wonderful.
01-05-2006, 04:00 PM
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As advertized:
Advantages:
-No more using a universal adaptor which raises the oil filter and in return requires removal of components.
-Has two 1/8th NTP taps for pressure and temperature.
-Minimize oil spillage when removing old filter.
-Fits same as stock oil filter pedestal.
-Looks really trick!
Looks really trick my ***. It should have been polished before sent out. Everything I've seen advertized as billet aluminum has been polished, even when welded. I also know a thing or two about welding and yes I do know that areas where welded are affected because of the process but it should have been polished afterwards. Any guy worth his salt from the south has welded at least once!
Advantages:
-No more using a universal adaptor which raises the oil filter and in return requires removal of components.
-Has two 1/8th NTP taps for pressure and temperature.
-Minimize oil spillage when removing old filter.
-Fits same as stock oil filter pedestal.
-Looks really trick!
Looks really trick my ***. It should have been polished before sent out. Everything I've seen advertized as billet aluminum has been polished, even when welded. I also know a thing or two about welding and yes I do know that areas where welded are affected because of the process but it should have been polished afterwards. Any guy worth his salt from the south has welded at least once!