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JaySpec7 05-22-2003 08:54 PM

as you know I just started my FD but I can't go above 2500 - 3000, i'm not sure if it's boost related or not and don't know where to start to look..



Here is a vid...



RPM VIDEO



FIRST START UP

TYSON 05-22-2003 09:15 PM

Is that RPM vid with your foot to the floor the whole time?

amp 05-22-2003 09:17 PM

had somewhat of a similar issue when i left a rag after reassembly..

and new pfc install....it cleared up after learning the car...

JaySpec7 05-23-2003 01:55 AM


Originally Posted by TYSON' date='May 22 2003, 09:15 PM
Is that RPM vid with your foot to the floor the whole time?

nope that's me slowly giving it gas

JaySpec7 05-23-2003 01:55 AM


Originally Posted by amp' date='May 22 2003, 09:17 PM
had somewhat of a similar issue when i left a rag after reassembly..

and new pfc install....it cleared up after learning the car...

so your saying it's still learning??

JT-Imports 05-23-2003 02:51 AM

You just put your PFC in?



If so, just let the car run for like 30 mins, shut it off, then start let it run

for 20 mins. Start is up again and 20 mins again. Then start it and start

playing with your tunning if you need it. This is what we did on my car

and it worked out pretty good...

JT-Imports 05-23-2003 03:00 AM

Thats a buttload of smoke... New engine? Didnt start if for a long time?

JaySpec7 05-23-2003 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by JT-Imports' date='May 23 2003, 03:00 AM
Thats a buttload of smoke... New engine? Didnt start if for a long time?

new streetported motor.. thanks Jason

JT-Imports 05-23-2003 04:28 AM

OOOOO hummmm and thats it? How long did it run before you started to press on the gas. Most rebuilders here let it idle for almost an hour on a new

motor sometimes more...



Hummmm does sound good, but hopefully your still good to go...

amp 05-23-2003 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by JaySpec7' date='May 23 2003, 01:55 AM
so your saying it's still learning??

yep

JaySpec7 05-24-2003 04:19 AM

weird... i've started it over and over... no starting problems now... It still won't go over 2500... I noticed i forgot to lock my fast idle cam.. so that helped my idle a little...







question... what if i keep disconnecting my battery? does all the pfc settings get lost?? and does the pfc always have to learn??

amp 05-24-2003 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by JaySpec7' date='May 24 2003, 04:19 AM
question... what if i keep disconnecting my battery? does all the pfc settings get lost?? and does the pfc always have to learn??

i dont believe so..

anyone please confirm...as ive had my battery die on me for a good while

without ill effects to the pfc settings..

jay..could your issue be mechanical like the throttle cable...just a stab

JT-Imports 05-24-2003 08:33 AM

No you wont lose your settings...

JaySpec7 05-24-2003 04:22 PM

update....



I unplugged the O2 sensor to see if that would make a different... and it doesn't...



I then plugged in the stock ECU and now I can rev past 2500 with any fuel cut... so now i'm thinking it's a setting with in the power fc... maybe it hasn't learned enough?? I have no clue...



can anyone else help??

amp 05-24-2003 07:02 PM

over half an hour on idle before i was able to exceed 3k rpm in my install...

just had the hood up with blower on the rad and ebay as it was a warm day...

teknics 05-24-2003 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by amp' date='May 24 2003, 07:02 PM
just had the hood up with blower on the rad and ebay as it was a warm day...

you have ebay under your hood? TRUE!



kevin.

turbovr6 05-24-2003 08:09 PM

CHECK THE PFC SETTINGS!! there is a setting for rev limit. maybe for some reason it;s set low. Also check what the boost settings are. If they are low, it may be hitting fuel cut, I dounbt it, but you never know

JaySpec7 05-26-2003 01:21 AM

ok.. here are my settings...



http://www.jayspec7.com/myrx7pics/powerfc/pfcs1.jpg



http://www.jayspec7.com/myrx7pics/powerfc/pfcs2.jpg



http://www.jayspec7.com/myrx7pics/powerfc/pfcs3.jpg



http://www.jayspec7.com/myrx7pics/powerfc/pfcs4.jpg

JaySpec7 05-26-2003 01:22 AM

http://www.jayspec7.com/myrx7pics/powerfc/pfcs5.jpg



http://www.jayspec7.com/myrx7pics/powerfc/pfcs6.jpg



http://www.jayspec7.com/myrx7pics/powerfc/pfcs7.jpg



http://www.jayspec7.com/myrx7pics/powerfc/pfcs8.jpg

JaySpec7 05-26-2003 01:22 AM

http://www.jayspec7.com/myrx7pics/powerfc/pfcs9.jpg



http://www.jayspec7.com/myrx7pics/powerfc/pfcs10.jpg



http://www.jayspec7.com/myrx7pics/powerfc/pfcs11.jpg



http://www.jayspec7.com/myrx7pics/powerfc/pfcs12.jpg

Srce 05-26-2003 01:48 AM

WOW dude, there's so much **** to **** up there, I'm considering NOT getting the Comander!

LannyRX7 05-26-2003 02:03 AM

looks like the factory settings.



Still no luck?



Hey did you get those 4 wires (or prongs) removed already?

LannyRX7 05-26-2003 02:05 AM

Well except for the seq.turbo cont (symbol).

JaySpec7 05-26-2003 02:10 AM


Originally Posted by Srce94FD' date='May 26 2003, 01:48 AM
WOW dude, there's so much **** to **** up there, I'm considering NOT getting the Comander!

LOL you don't really have to mess with all the settings...

JaySpec7 05-26-2003 02:10 AM


Originally Posted by LannyRX7' date='May 26 2003, 02:05 AM
Well except for the seq.turbo cont (symbol).

I'm running non sequential..

TYSON 05-26-2003 08:29 AM

Your problem is likely in the first picture.



Both of your temperature readings are very high, and the HWL light is on. That means you have a problem, because the HWL is used as a check engine light by the PFC.



I can't remember if high voltage means high temperature or low temperature, but I would bet your temp sensors are not attached. See how VTA1 is shaded? That means that one is the problem. Check your manual, cause I gave mine away when I sold my PFC. See which sensor is VTA1.

TYSON 05-26-2003 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by Srce94FD' date='May 26 2003, 02:48 AM
WOW dude, there's so much **** to **** up there, I'm considering NOT getting the Comander!

If you think that's complicated you better sell your car right now, or leave it completely stock.



The Commander is essential to have, as you can monitor everything without lugging a laptop around with you.

twinturborx7pete 05-26-2003 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by TYSON' date='May 26 2003, 05:29 AM
Your problem is likely in the first picture.



Both of your temperature readings are very high, and the HWL light is on. That means you have a problem, because the HWL is used as a check engine light by the PFC.



I can't remember if high voltage means high temperature or low temperature, but I would bet your temp sensors are not attached. See how VTA1 is shaded? That means that one is the problem. Check your manual, cause I gave mine away when I sold my PFC. See which sensor is VTA1.

umm... wtf are you talking about? VTA1 is shaded because he has selected it... you obviously don't know jack about the PFC.



VTA1 would be 1 of the 2 TPS voltage readings.. one is close the other wide. So.. no thats not his problem.

twinturborx7pete 05-26-2003 09:00 AM

Jayspec7...



are you using stock injectors still? i see that you are non-seq as well? Any more info on mods you are running?

TYSON 05-26-2003 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by twinturborx7pete' date='May 26 2003, 09:57 AM
[quote name='TYSON' date='May 26 2003, 05:29 AM'] Your problem is likely in the first picture.



Both of your temperature readings are very high, and the HWL light is on. That means you have a problem, because the HWL is used as a check engine light by the PFC.



I can't remember if high voltage means high temperature or low temperature, but I would bet your temp sensors are not attached. See how VTA1 is shaded? That means that one is the problem. Check your manual, cause I gave mine away when I sold my PFC. See which sensor is VTA1.

umm... wtf are you talking about? VTA1 is shaded because he has selected it... you obviously don't know jack about the PFC.



VTA1 would be 1 of the 2 TPS voltage readings.. one is close the other wide. So.. no thats not his problem. [/quote]





Pardon me about the temp, you are correct it has been a while since I messed with it. The attitude is not required. There is still something wrong there. Perhaps the TPS is not connected? Read this thread for proper VTA1 & 2 readings.



The PFC does shade sensors that are not reading right when the HWL light is on. Why would you be able to 'select' a sensor reading? Which sensor has this guy "SELECTED"?

Srce 05-26-2003 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by TYSON' date='May 26 2003, 08:31 AM
If you think that's complicated you better sell your car right now, or leave it completely stock.



The Commander is essential to have, as you can monitor everything without lugging a laptop around with you.

Well, I've yet to get a car. You see, I made the username before I had the car. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png

turbovr6 05-26-2003 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by TYSON' date='May 26 2003, 09:41 AM
[quote name='twinturborx7pete' date='May 26 2003, 09:57 AM'] [quote name='TYSON' date='May 26 2003, 05:29 AM'] Your problem is likely in the first picture.



Both of your temperature readings are very high, and the HWL light is on. That means you have a problem, because the HWL is used as a check engine light by the PFC.



I can't remember if high voltage means high temperature or low temperature, but I would bet your temp sensors are not attached. See how VTA1 is shaded? That means that one is the problem. Check your manual, cause I gave mine away when I sold my PFC. See which sensor is VTA1.

umm... wtf are you talking about? VTA1 is shaded because he has selected it... you obviously don't know jack about the PFC.



VTA1 would be 1 of the 2 TPS voltage readings.. one is close the other wide. So.. no thats not his problem. [/quote]





Pardon me about the temp, you are correct it has been a while since I messed with it. The attitude is not required. There is still something wrong there. Perhaps the TPS is not connected? Read this thread for proper VTA1 & 2 readings.



The PFC does shade sensors that are not reading right when the HWL light is on. Why would you be able to 'select' a sensor reading? Which sensor has this guy "SELECTED"? [/quote]

He is right about the shaded part, in that screen if a parameter is shaded that is becouse there is a fault. The first 2 are tps voltages. 1 narrow, 1 wide.

turbovr6 05-26-2003 03:36 PM

jay you take that picture???



here is one that I have, do those 0-rings we talked about go where I have the arrows, or under the assembly directly ontop of the air bleeds?

JaySpec7 05-26-2003 03:37 PM

thanks for all the replies... the pics of the dilsplay wes taken w/ the car off and ignition on... i don't know if that makes a difference...



my mods follows...



streetport

non seq

intake

catback

downpipe

ngk 9s all around

taylor wires

ground kit

DT/EGR/AWS/ACV disabled

TYSON 05-26-2003 03:55 PM

Unless you had your foot to the floor it must be the TPS. The signal should be low voltage. Do the same thing and step on the gas pedal, see if the readings change.

JaySpec7 05-26-2003 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by turbovr6' date='May 26 2003, 03:36 PM
jay you take that picture???



here is one that I have, do those 0-rings we talked about go where I have the arrows, or under the assembly directly ontop of the air bleeds?

here is a pic... the top to round seals slide over the injector housing.. the bottom 2 go into the injector holes in the motor...



http://www.jayspec7.com/misc/injseal.jpg

JaySpec7 06-13-2003 08:53 AM

ok... after trying different things... I called one of my buds that had an extra TB w/ the TPS on it... we both measured out the resistance levels and made comparisons...



Being that I tried to take the TPS housing and TPS off to get polished, there was a chance that I may not of recalibrated it properly... my PFC was reading 4.xxV narrow and 4.xx wide with the motor warmed up....



After recalibrating to the same resistance values as my friends TPS, I went ahead and tested it out... turned the key and looked at the VT01 and VT02 values... whoa.. they where very different.. looked normal and they changed as I hit the gas... so i started it right up and waited for it to warm up... a few minutes later, I take a little test drive.. WOOHOO THAT WORKED!!



I just noticed that once I stopped at a stop sign, my car felt like it hesitated, probably coz of the maps of the power fc.. could be running really rich...



Well, i'm goin to finally get insurance and register my FD next week, but can I drive around keeping it under 3000rpms with the base maps the Power FC is loaded with?



In any case, I wanted to thank you guys for your support and all the help!!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

vosko 06-13-2003 09:37 AM

congrats! it should run fine with the PFC base maps...

turbovr6 06-13-2003 09:38 AM

Wooo hooo glad you figured out the problem!!!!.. with the stock map, you really have to worry more about how much boost you hit, rather then rpm's.



If you want, for now, I can load a map for you https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

JaySpec7 06-13-2003 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by turbovr6' date='Jun 13 2003, 09:38 AM
Wooo hooo glad you figured out the problem!!!!.. with the stock map, you really have to worry more about how much boost you hit, rather then rpm's.



If you want, for now, I can load a map for you https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

yes... i'm interested... lemme know when we can do this... i'm goin to register it next week... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif


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