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1Revvin7 06-27-2003 08:17 PM

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/dry.png My car is burning oil....

1Revvin7 06-27-2003 08:18 PM

I had the exhaust rigged so i could somewhat breath in my garage.

1Revvin7 06-27-2003 08:18 PM

spark plugs are clean

pengaru 06-27-2003 08:22 PM

bummer, looks like it might be time for a turbo, or time to inspect it at least.



make sure the oil return line isnt plugged or anythign too (for the turbo)



though since you're premixing note that it will be smokey when running rich, like premix smoke, not typical running rich black smoke... but you seem to have visible oil leaking from the exhaust, and said you have seen an oil drop from the dip stick, not cool man.

1Revvin7 06-27-2003 08:22 PM

There is oil leaking from the backplate of the turbo, My car was low by a quart also. But that could have been from my oil cooler being empty when i put it into the car.. When i hooked up my stock oil pressure guage, its through the roof, like 130psi. The turbo is also smoking/steaming, i opened up the return line on the turbo and oil was coming out... I am running premix, but there seams to be way too much smoke, I just emptied the gas tank, and now it has 2 oz of premix with the 2 gallons of 92octane..

pengaru 06-27-2003 08:27 PM

my car smokes alot right now if i rev it. It may just be tuning.



the throttle pump values on mine are too high, if i start revving the throttle pump kicks in and it turns into rich madness, and i fill the neighborhood with smoke. I shut down, start back up, and it idles smoke free, i can slowly turn up the rpm with my hand, gently enough not to kick in the throttle pump, and it doesnt smoke.



Go to options the throttle pump, check out those values.



I know you got maps from a friend with a similar setup, but maybe you are running higher fuel pressure than he was. You have to realize theres oil in your gas now https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

Scott 89t2 06-27-2003 08:54 PM

I'd say your pressure at 130psi is part of the problem...

1Revvin7 06-27-2003 08:54 PM

crankcase is vented to the atmosphere...

1Revvin7 06-27-2003 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by Scott 89t2' date='Jun 27 2003, 08:54 PM
I'd say your pressure at 130psi is part of the problem...

yea, lol. I am going to verify with a mechanical gauge.

1Revvin7 06-27-2003 08:56 PM

I cannot get the damn idle down, and once i revved to 4k and it stayed there.... Throttle position at idle and that time was 4%...

Rob x-7 06-27-2003 10:47 PM

2 oz of premix to 2 gallons of gas seems a bit excessive.

vosko 06-27-2003 10:56 PM

you need like 2-4 oz for an entire tank!



show me a pic of how your crank case is vented. you need to cap the breather on the filler neck and leave the breather on the middle housing open

pengaru 06-27-2003 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by vosko' date='Jun 28 2003, 03:56 AM
you need like 2-4 oz for an entire tank!



show me a pic of how your crank case is vented. you need to cap the breather on the filler neck and leave the breather on the middle housing open

don't they both lead to the same place?



anyhow, I left the charcoal canister on my car so I still have the nipple on the intermediate housing going to that. On the filler I put a tiny k&n filter on so it can vent to atmosphere...

vosko 06-27-2003 11:44 PM

on my TII if you cap both it will smoke alot. if you vent both it might cause it too.........

pengaru 06-28-2003 12:03 AM


Originally Posted by vosko' date='Jun 28 2003, 04:44 AM
on my TII if you cap both it will smoke alot. if you vent both it might cause it too.........

if you vent both it won't cause smoke, capping both causes smoke because the crankcase gets pressurized when the blow-by has nowhere to go.... venting both is just redundant as far as I can tell.

Blink 06-28-2003 01:41 AM

Isn't it suppose to be like a 1oz/1 gallon premix?



how long have you let it idle so far?

1Revvin7 06-28-2003 02:15 AM

damn guys don't me get me all excited..... I could have swore that it was 1oz per gallon.... **** if thats what it was I would shoot myself..

1Revvin7 06-28-2003 02:28 AM

I am going to yank the turbo tommorrow....screw the bs

TheCamel 06-28-2003 06:15 AM

that amount of smoke and the color is definately oil, I would suspect that you lost the rear seal on the turbo, looks exactly like my GT-R at the moment, car runs fine, covers the neighborhood in smoke though, and look out if you decide to hit boost, you will look like James Bond trying to get away from somebody.

Nemesis 06-28-2003 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by TheCamel' date='Jun 28 2003, 05:15 AM
that amount of smoke and the color is definately oil, I would suspect that you lost the rear seal on the turbo, looks exactly like my GT-R at the moment, car runs fine, covers the neighborhood in smoke though, and look out if you decide to hit boost, you will look like James Bond trying to get away from somebody.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif



The turbo on my T2 does this also. It looks like I hit the smoke screen button from Spy Hunter... Newer, bigger turbo on the way though! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683329.gif

1Revvin7 06-28-2003 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by TheCamel' date='Jun 28 2003, 06:15 AM
that amount of smoke and the color is definately oil, I would suspect that you lost the rear seal on the turbo, looks exactly like my GT-R at the moment, car runs fine, covers the neighborhood in smoke though, and look out if you decide to hit boost, you will look like James Bond trying to get away from somebody.

I havn't even got to feel boost yet!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif I think I might pull it out and Blow done the street https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png peg my boost gauge.. I sure hope its just the turbo or god this car will never run...

1Revvin7 06-28-2003 02:43 PM

I lucked out, it appears to be just the turbo. The turbo exhaust mani was clean...I am going to strap on some n/a exhaust to be sure tho..

BigTurbo74 06-28-2003 02:58 PM

well the smoke from in the first pic is from the oil burning that he pumped in the engine when it was sitting so it wouldn't get messed up.

Racer X 06-28-2003 04:44 PM

I thought your turbo was new?How could it be dead already?

1Revvin7 06-28-2003 08:44 PM

HAHAHAHHAHA too much premix! Damn i was scared for a good minute...

Rob x-7 06-28-2003 08:47 PM

1 oz to 1 gallon, you would make the Exxon Valdez jealous.

TheCamel 06-28-2003 09:00 PM

good, now get back to tuning slacker

pengaru 06-28-2003 09:09 PM

1oz per gallon i don't think is that terribly bad, it's just running rich, tune it.



rich + premix = smokey.

1Revvin7 06-28-2003 09:20 PM

Yes I have to do some tuning, looks mean https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png You should have seen the look on peope's faces when they drove by as i was coming out of the alley, ******* priceless https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

1Revvin7 06-29-2003 11:54 PM

******* a, this **** just don't stop. I think my engine is bad.... Now that my idle is lower(1400rpms), it won't smoke. But then I punch it and smoke blows out like crazy, and the coolant buzzer comes on. There doesn't seem to be an oil being used, I checked the dipstick after letting it idle for 20minutes and it was the same. And the oil pressure is down to near 50, **** is strange... And then i goto try and ******* datalog, and it only does it for 26secs....? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif Eitherway I am pretty sure this **** is toast, now I am fucked and I'm starting to get pist. Good thing I have a job interview tommorrow. If i do tear into it, its getting a crazy port job, I am considering bridge.

pengaru 06-30-2003 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by 1Revvin7' date='Jun 30 2003, 04:54 AM
******* a, this **** just don't stop. I think my engine is bad.... Now that my idle is lower(1400rpms), it won't smoke. But then I punch it and smoke blows out like crazy, and the coolant buzzer comes on. There doesn't seem to be an oil being used, I checked the dipstick after letting it idle for 20minutes and it was the same. And the oil pressure is down to near 50, **** is strange... And then i goto try and ******* datalog, and it only does it for 26secs....? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif Eitherway I am pretty sure this **** is toast, now I am fucked and I'm starting to get pist. Good thing I have a job interview tommorrow. If i do tear into it, its getting a crazy port job, I am considering bridge.

check the overflow tank to see if it's getting a constant stream of bubbles (exhaust).



maybe you just didnt burp the coolant system, there are alot of variables at play since you did so much work, don't jump to conclusions https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

1Revvin7 06-30-2003 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by pengaru' date='Jun 30 2003, 02:14 PM
check the overflow tank to see if it's getting a constant stream of bubbles (exhaust).



maybe you just didnt burp the coolant system, there are alot of variables at play since you did so much work, don't jump to conclusions https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

Yea I was thinking that its just the coolant system burping the air in it, I am taking off my turbo and going over to GregW's house from teamfc3s to have him check it out...

1Revvin7 06-30-2003 02:20 PM

I think the smoking(oil) may have something do to with my oil pressure, cuz now at my 1440 idle, the oil pressure is at 50ish. And now it doesn't smoke at idle. Before my idle was @ 2000 at it smoked like crazy and my oil pressure was at 130.... And now when i punch it it smokes, the oil pressure is probably going way up...

pengaru 06-30-2003 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by 1Revvin7' date='Jun 30 2003, 07:17 PM
[quote name='pengaru' date='Jun 30 2003, 02:14 PM'] check the overflow tank to see if it's getting a constant stream of bubbles (exhaust).



maybe you just didnt burp the coolant system, there are alot of variables at play since you did so much work, don't jump to conclusions https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

Yea I was thinking that its just the coolant system burping the air in it, I am taking off my turbo and going over to GregW's house from teamfc3s to have him check it out... [/quote]

cool, you can also do a coolant system pressure test if you suspect O ring failure.



in the pic you showed with the oil all over it definitely looks like the turbo is leaking....

Turbo II 06-30-2003 03:03 PM

sucks to hear man, abnd about going bridge, dont even attempt it, finish this project then buy a fb and go bridge

pengaru 06-30-2003 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by 1Revvin7' date='Jun 30 2003, 07:20 PM
I think the smoking(oil) may have something do to with my oil pressure, cuz now at my 1440 idle, the oil pressure is at 50ish. And now it doesn't smoke at idle. Before my idle was @ 2000 at it smoked like crazy and my oil pressure was at 130.... And now when i punch it it smokes, the oil pressure is probably going way up...

if you don't have one already, checkout http://northerntool.com and buy a glycerin filled pressure gauge for the oil pressure, they have certified high precision gauges for pretty cheap (like $30 or less)...

BigTurbo74 06-30-2003 06:16 PM

Yea they are cheap, $13-$19. So what size thread is the stock sender?

Gauges

1Revvin7 06-30-2003 08:10 PM

whoops i was on my buddies name...

pengaru 06-30-2003 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by BigTurbo74' date='Jun 30 2003, 11:16 PM
Yea they are cheap, $13-$19. So what size thread is the stock sender?

Gauges

now that I don't remember, I want to say 1/8th NPT but not positive, I'll check it if I have a chance.

1Revvin7 06-30-2003 09:53 PM

found oil between lim and uim on the gasket... And in the intake runners and tb. Turbo must be spitting out the oil...


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