How about people stop throwing around the "just get a TII" response to questions? LOL. There just arent that many around,those that are around are either alot of money, already been fucked with and are about to explode, or are just so damm bastardized that they arent worth a **** anymore. The thought of spending $4000 or so on a TII, and to HOPE it may last a year or so, makes me ill, think Ill go with a small block conversion. I know it will be fast, VERY reliable, and I wont have to rely on some rocket scientist to tune it for me, then hope that he knew what the **** he was doing anyhow. I mean really, how many modded turbo RX-7s run for a while? Are they just beaten to death, or not tuned right? And what makes people who are modding thier TII or FDs THINK that they can accomplish what others havent been able to do? I know there are a handfull of modded turbos running for a while, but I think that is more driver control, the driver taking it easy on the car.

Fact of the matter is that once you beat on these cars, they puke the engine, I dont see the big attraction there. Accomplish something by not only going fast, but going fast on the set up you have for while to justify spending the time and money on the car.... just my thoughts after driving my slow ass convertible today and thinking of doing a TII conversion :puke:

You N/A owners are so jealous....https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

My cars have always ran though, lol

Mine has never stopped running.

Ran and drove 100%?

i guesse its wat u want the car for... for drag racing, road racing, ect.. its just how u gotta tune it. i tuned for drift by attacking the suspension and wheel/tire setup.

but yea, a TII would be nice tho. *sigh* but some of u guys talk like theres TII's out there like theres honda civics. makes me mad! and jelous https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...O_DIR#>/11.gif

I agree Rob.... and I'm not just saying that because I've had 2 NA's! I've had turbo cars also, one modded to mid 13's at 100. I would like to try a TII or FD one day too. I'm just saying that based on your driving style, budget, and maintenance/tuning, I think some people would rather have NA sevens than turbos.... plus the availability of a good one... there are rarely ever TII's with under 100K and in good shape for sale around my area. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/dunno.gif

theres rarely any t2 thats in good enough shape to buy, you buy it and you have no idea how long is gonna last? espeacially after you start to mod them, damn those apex and coolant seals! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif

Ran and drove 100%?[/quote]

As good as any N/A I know, except the turbo oil seals didn't work after it was rebuilt. Does it burn your ass to know that there are reliable TIIs out there? It's really simple...some of us don't want slow cars...get over it.

HA HA HA, oh man you guys are killing me on this one. This has got to be one of the more laugh worthy posts of the month.

What do you know...you drive a TII. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

lol

Oh yea I forgot.

So let me sum this up... we should tell people that want to spend thousands of $$$'s on making a NA into an 8 second car to do it?



I dunno about that, I mean the posts that are being replied as "buy a t2" are posts where some punk is going to spend 5K just getting the HP a t2 has off the floor, call me silly, but seems like a bad investment. Let's not even get into the reliabllity, my guess is it's a wash. The more you push ANYTHING's limits the closer you get to breaking it.

I believe what we are seing here is a bad case of "Turbo Envy" on the part of N/A owners who are really getting frustrated by their lack of performance. Truth is, TII's are rare, and we who are lucky enough to own one shouldn't flaunt it. Telling an N/A owner to "get a TII" is like waving your swinging 10" meat at some poor sucker with a little weenie!

Yea but this is in regard to people saying they want to dump thousands into a NA. At that rate wouldn't one think it wise to purchase a t2?

I'm not saying that at all, I totally agree with you guys recommending a T2 for those who want to go fast rather than blowing the money on maybe 20-30 HP from an NA.... that's stupid. I'm just pointing out the availability of good ones and the fact that some people on here (like me!) are broke as hell.



SOME of the posts I've seen do seem like people act as though they are hot **** for owning a T2 and that NA owners are fools or are on a lower level.... just my opinion.



https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/dunno.gif

I don't think I'm hot **** for owning a TII, but I also don't think I should be hounded with the reliability card. It's all a trade-off.



I never thought TIIs were that rare...I guess mine was too easy to find...actually, I had two to choose from, and the other one was a better buy. Of course, I drove 350 miles to get this one and the other one was 500 miles away.

I'm sure the N/A is a very satisfying car to drive in terms of looks and handling, and they aren't THAT slow. If you have the need for speed, but can't afford a 3G, buy a TII. They are out there, and for generally less than $5k.



Here's one on autotrader.com:

1988 mazda rx7 turbo, 145k on chasis, 50k on rebuilt eng, 70k on trans,hard to find turbo, many mods, new stage 3 clutch, clean inside and out, great condition josh

He's asking $4300.



Sorry. This seems obvious to me...



I can understand wanting to keep the car you have and make it faster. Sure, its' easier that way, but you need to have a goal in mind and recognize the best path to that goal.

If you really like power in a straight line, go turbo. If you just want an RX-7 for the handling go NA.



At the last autocross I was at, my friends father who has a stock 86 superbase NA with the exception of the fully prepped, still being broken in street ported/every NA upgrade in the book minus exhaust engine, ran only 2-3 seconds behind me with the stock phone dials and POS tires.



Then again, I have stock suspension as well, and could only use 1/2 throttle as I have a full 3" exhaust, no FCD, and dislike engine replacement https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

Also lets not forget Vosko with the GTU at last years halloween cruise hanging with the modified FDs https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

What if I just want to look cool?

You have a buy an aluminum wing and weigh your chassis down with ugly body paneling and heavy layers of blinding pigmentations https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

last year was fun revving to 8400rpm is cool https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

JUST BUY A TII ALREADY

i bought my TII for $500. if you look around you can get them even cheaper than N/A's !!!! i put alot of work into but i could have turned around and sold it for $3000 easy....

i bought mine for $1750 and sold it last month for $2400.

My cars have always ran though, lol[/quote]

Ahh, modified TII's last a while if they're done the right way. The problem is that the cars are cheap, and most people who buy them go the cheap/compromise route with mods.

Ran and drove 100%?[/quote]

I've had 2 TII's and 2 TII convertibles. All of the cars were modified. The first convertible engine never gave me a problem over 40-50 K miles, but I wound up rebuilding it anyway. That motor only gave me a problem after 16K because the engine builder gave me the wrong rear housing. Now it's fine. The 1st TII had 138 K when I bought it, and it blew up at 160K with alot of mods. I can't complain about that. The 2nd TII is my brother's, and it does just fine with mild mods.

Ran and drove 100%?[/quote]

I've had 2 TII's and 2 TII convertibles. All of the cars were modified. The first convertible engine never gave me a problem over 40-50 K miles, but I wound up rebuilding it anyway. That motor only gave me a problem after 16K because the engine builder gave me the wrong rear housing. Now it's fine. The 1st TII had 138 K when I bought it, and it blew up at 160K with alot of mods. I can't complain about that. The 2nd TII is my brother's, and it does just fine with mild mods.[/quote]

my $500 TII broke because i have a stack of timeslips 50 deep. when it broke i was hitting 15-16 psi in high gears........ that was its ultimate demise LOL . i broke the car it didn't break on me. there are some differences

Converting NA's to turbo isn't very hard if you know what you're doing. If you get all of the parts on your own and do all of the work it's worth it. If you're going to pay a shop to do it then it's a waste of money. TII's aren't very hard to find, but good ones are. The same goes for any 10-15 year old car.

keep in mind when i got my TII it needed new brake rotors all around. they were all warped. new rear wheel bearing, yadda yadda just to get it road worthy LOL

Turbo envy? **** no, Wanting MY car to be faster? Again, no. Not affording a TII, **** NO, I can buy a FD this very day with cash if I wanted to. It was a THOUGHT, read the title " A THOUGHT". Im the first one to tell N/A people to leave the car alone, dont bother. Vosco's $500 TII- if you could have found someone to buy that thing who actually has seen it in person for $3000, you would have done it aloooooooooong time ago. Me and Jim seen a TII for sale by me right before he moved, I wouldnt have given the guy $200 for the piece of ****. A THOUGHT, thats the title. You people talk about a TII like its the second coming of christ. Its a 14/15 second car in stock form. Oh but if you remove all the emissions, bolt on every part to the thing that Mazda DIDNT MAKE, then you get some speed out of the car, if you tune it right that is. I NEVER said to a N/A owner to mod thier car, I tell them its a waste of time, and have always said its a waste of time. Another fact is that- now read this carefully, VERY carefully- Most of the TII out there get hacked to death by people who have neither the skill nor the resources to mod thier car. NOT EVERYONE, so dont jump down my throat unless you fit the hack profile. MY THOUGHT was instead of telling people to "JUST GET A TII", why not just say its a waste of time, any ******* moron can figure out it would be better to get a TII. And for the record I could give a **** about my car, only reason I got it was because some crack head was going into rehab and needed the money so I got the car DIRT cheap, so cheap it would make your head spin considering I got it 7 years ago. Next time Ill just post in the General Discussion section about some broad who doesnt exist instead of trying to get some traffic in the 2nd gen forum.

So you wanted a response, but only if it agreed with what you said?



You said you were trying to get some traffic, well this topic is on it's second page. What did you want?



OK, then don't get a T2, it is a terrible, terrible thing!

ummm i never wanted to sell my TII but $3000 would have made me. money talks anyway. my TII had nothing done to it and could keep up with brand new C5's. your point being???? had i started with a better chassis and kept the boost lower it would never have broken. i got greedy and paid for it. oh well i like my car and you like yours. live with it. its possible to find a nice TII but its easier to find a nice FD https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

N/a's do have their limits. Even with a streetport and full exhaust I am hoping to reach what a stock TII is putting out. I know it has been mentioned before but I think a turbo kit for N/A's would sell pretty good. I know there would be issues like the drivetrain etc., but there are a lot of people who would spend a decent amount of money to add some extra horsepower. Personally I think it would be kind of fun to turbo my n/a, a great learning experience. But it would probably take me a freaking year to get to done. :clown:

Yeah, TII's are ok, but they're not THAT great. The best is the scrubs who defend the RX-7 until they die. They usually have a $500 86 base that burns more oil than a Chinese restaurant, and has more dents than Hunter's car. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

Traffic is one thing, being told I am in some way cheap by NOT having a TII, thats just crazy. Turbo envy- come on now. Right now I dont have a garage, and when I do, and have a place to put a car to work on it in any weather condition or time of night, then I dont know if a TII will be the car of choice. I dont LIKE my car, its just a car, Ive had plenty of cars, and motorcycles in my life, my vert is FAR from a car I would call "liking" If I didnt do body work and paint myself, and wasnt so **** about doing things a certain way, I wouldnt have bothered with the car. I have had this discussion with Jim before, if I did do either a TII conversion or a get a TII, I would want to keep it tame, in the 250-350 hp range, not run crazy boost, so that the car would last, not because im 'cheap', but because whats the enjoyment in a car that doesnt run?



P.S.- Now this is turning into a good discussion because quite frankly, the general discussion forum is turning to ****

Hmmmm, very confused now.



PS the general discussion has always been ****.

I think the post in the other cars forum where it was said that a FD or a FC would be the car of choice over a AMG SL55 sent me over the edge, lol. This wasnt directed at the normal people, it was directed at those 1800RPM idle, 1 quart a day, 4 mis-matched tires, and your eyes tear and you almost pass out from the exaust cars out there.



The general discussion board wasnt ALL that bad, its still got some hope in there, just have to weed thru the **** to get to get to it

It seems pretty easy to wade through, when you see who started the topic, you should know whether or not to open it https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png