Starter problems from being an idiot!
06-12-2008, 08:50 AM
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Well, I am doing a turbo swap on my S4 GXL. I am using the s4 NA harness. I have everything just about ready to go. I bought a serpentine pulley kit to run instead of the double belt pulley. I have to take off my front main pulley. I tried impact guns, breaker bars, everything I could think of.
I read on the "evil" forum that you could wedge a breaker bar against the ground and use the starter to turn over the motor. I tried this and it went something like this:
Wedge breaker bar against ground, pull plug on CAS and pull fuel INJ fuse. Crank motor. All it did was try to turn, and did not. So, I tried it again. THis time it turned the motor over. (I realized that the breaker bar had fallen off the bolt). I turn the key back to off and the starter keeps spinning!
I jumped out of the car and unhooked the negative terminal from the battery. I then let it sit for a minute, and made sure the key was in the off position. Then i touched the battery with the negative terminal. The starter spins, but not the motor. The starter spins any time I touch the battery with the neg. terminal. The motor no longer spins with it.
What the hell did I do? I have not checked the flywheel to see if I broke some teeth off of it (I REALLY hope not!) I was trying to figure this out and all I could come up with is:
There must be a relay or a set of contacts that welded to each other with the dead short across the starter. If there is, does anybody else think this is the problem?
Any ideas are greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Rob
I read on the "evil" forum that you could wedge a breaker bar against the ground and use the starter to turn over the motor. I tried this and it went something like this:
Wedge breaker bar against ground, pull plug on CAS and pull fuel INJ fuse. Crank motor. All it did was try to turn, and did not. So, I tried it again. THis time it turned the motor over. (I realized that the breaker bar had fallen off the bolt). I turn the key back to off and the starter keeps spinning!
I jumped out of the car and unhooked the negative terminal from the battery. I then let it sit for a minute, and made sure the key was in the off position. Then i touched the battery with the negative terminal. The starter spins, but not the motor. The starter spins any time I touch the battery with the neg. terminal. The motor no longer spins with it.
What the hell did I do? I have not checked the flywheel to see if I broke some teeth off of it (I REALLY hope not!) I was trying to figure this out and all I could come up with is:
There must be a relay or a set of contacts that welded to each other with the dead short across the starter. If there is, does anybody else think this is the problem?
Any ideas are greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Rob
06-12-2008, 09:15 AM
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Probably toasted the solenoid. I'd try a new starter. When you pull it, you can inspect the flywheel for damage.
Also, you very much need to read this: http://mazdatrix.com/faq/pulley.htm
Also, you very much need to read this: http://mazdatrix.com/faq/pulley.htm
06-12-2008, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by wvumtnbkr' post='901819' date='Jun 12 2008, 06:50 AM
Well, I am doing a turbo swap on my S4 GXL. I am using the s4 NA harness. I have everything just about ready to go. I bought a serpentine pulley kit to run instead of the double belt pulley. I have to take off my front main pulley. I tried impact guns, breaker bars, everything I could think of.
I read on the "evil" forum that you could wedge a breaker bar against the ground and use the starter to turn over the motor. I tried this and it went something like this:
Wedge breaker bar against ground, pull plug on CAS and pull fuel INJ fuse. Crank motor. All it did was try to turn, and did not. So, I tried it again. THis time it turned the motor over. (I realized that the breaker bar had fallen off the bolt). I turn the key back to off and the starter keeps spinning!
I jumped out of the car and unhooked the negative terminal from the battery. I then let it sit for a minute, and made sure the key was in the off position. Then i touched the battery with the negative terminal. The starter spins, but not the motor. The starter spins any time I touch the battery with the neg. terminal. The motor no longer spins with it.
What the hell did I do? I have not checked the flywheel to see if I broke some teeth off of it (I REALLY hope not!) I was trying to figure this out and all I could come up with is:
There must be a relay or a set of contacts that welded to each other with the dead short across the starter. If there is, does anybody else think this is the problem?
Any ideas are greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Rob
I read on the "evil" forum that you could wedge a breaker bar against the ground and use the starter to turn over the motor. I tried this and it went something like this:
Wedge breaker bar against ground, pull plug on CAS and pull fuel INJ fuse. Crank motor. All it did was try to turn, and did not. So, I tried it again. THis time it turned the motor over. (I realized that the breaker bar had fallen off the bolt). I turn the key back to off and the starter keeps spinning!
I jumped out of the car and unhooked the negative terminal from the battery. I then let it sit for a minute, and made sure the key was in the off position. Then i touched the battery with the negative terminal. The starter spins, but not the motor. The starter spins any time I touch the battery with the neg. terminal. The motor no longer spins with it.
What the hell did I do? I have not checked the flywheel to see if I broke some teeth off of it (I REALLY hope not!) I was trying to figure this out and all I could come up with is:
There must be a relay or a set of contacts that welded to each other with the dead short across the starter. If there is, does anybody else think this is the problem?
Any ideas are greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Rob
a few years ago i had come across the same problem. what happenned was the bendix in the starter got hot and it broke the shft that the gear is attached. so take the starter out and check that its just a thought. it will let the starter still spin but not the engine. another thing is did the engine spin prior to you putting it in?
if you find its the engine i have one. i have a s5 jspec t2 and a aspeck rebuilt s4 t2 long block with a streetport for sale.
hope its just the starter though
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