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Old 01-29-2005, 02:35 AM
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wow, yeah i realize how big of a number 700whp is a mighty large goal but like i said its a slow build project and im in no rush ill take my time and do it right, honestly as for the reason.... i couldnt tell you im not much on drag racing i just think it would be fun to have a car to tinker with and maybe take to tracks .... i mean how cool would it be to open your gargae to your friends and let them see an fc with 700whp you built... anyways as far as things goes so far i obviously havent chosen much of my turbo components due to the lack of my picking a turbo itself haha but i will be running a motor rebuilt and ported (possibly a very aggressive street port) at gotham which is only a few hours drive, i want to start with a good motor ported with new housings from them and also when you have them do a motor you get a free tuning session with steve kan , i figure why not after the break in do some things and have him tune it. anyways like i said this is a slow build and im still in the process of getting the car to its resting area till i can actually start the build. so thanks and if anyone has any more suggestions as to what i might run into in a build like this feel free to let me know, i was thinking of going with a haltech but how does the power fc compare???
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Old 01-29-2005, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Mazdero' date='Jan 29 2005, 09:14 AM
Japanese premium is 100-104 octane



That is and is not true. High octane from Jomo, which is some of the best, is between 100 and 103. But it is only this high because of the testing laws. In the US they take three samples and the lowest octane tested is what the sample is labeled as, where as in Japan they take the highest number and label the gas with that. The gas is about the same. Japan however does not put the aditives in their gas that the US does.
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Originally Posted by 13BTNOS' date='Jan 29 2005, 05:18 AM
I'm not saying that it is impossible to make that 700rwhp on high octane fuel. What I'm trying to say is that with methanol you can significantly make more horsepower and run safer than you would with race gas. My current setup I'm running VP C16 it's less complicated than methanol and I'm aiming to get at the least 580rwhp. That's the mark I've set for myself because a friend had hit that mark with a similar setup as mine. He made 580rwhp and made 200+ passes down the quarter mile before going through that motor talk about reliability. By the way I live in San Diego, CA we only get 91 octane fuel at our pumps what kind of octane fuel are you guys getting at the pump that you can make 700hp? Sounds amazing to me that they can do that. Are they running alcohol/water injection systems and at what boost pressures are they making 700hp? Also 700hp at the engine is alot different than 700hp at the wheels.

I have never seen a rotary running alcohol/water injection, or nos for that matter in Japan. I have posted pictures of my tuners setup below. He is making 790ps at the wheel, you may have seen the pics as I have posted them before. It is the fastest Pro Street car in Japan. He run high octane pump gas in it.
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Originally Posted by CrassFC3S' date='Jan 29 2005, 05:35 PM
i was thinking of going with a haltech but how does the power fc compare???

If you want this much horsepower you need to spend the money and buy either a Motec system, or if you can find an authorized tuner, an HKS FCon V Pro. With this much power you need a perfect fuel curve. With the Motec, I believe you can map in 100rpm increments and with the FCon V Pro you can map in 50 rpm increments. I am not sure about the Power FC, but good luck finding one for an FC3S, they're pretty rare.
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PFC is a no no on fc, if you do find the adapter, which is rare, you wont be able to find any help.



Im so far enjoying my wolf purchase a lot.



I dont think you have to go all out and get amotec just to handle 700hp...i mean hell other guys are running piggybacks in other types of cars and nailign like 900hp.



motec is sorta overkill. You could get away with using a haltech, i dont see anything that would cause it not to be functional. Maybe you wont have a "perfect" fuel curve but i dont see why having large amoutns of power instantly means you must have a perfect fuel curve.



meh.



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Originally Posted by k_flip1' date='Jan 29 2005, 03:26 AM
I have never seen a rotary running alcohol/water injection, or nos for that matter in Japan. I have posted pictures of my tuners setup below. He is making 790ps at the wheel, you may have seen the pics as I have posted them before. It is the fastest Pro Street car in Japan. He run high octane pump gas in it.



Is the conversion for PS to Horsepower the same as Kilowatt to Horsepower and what does PS stand for. I know that Japan goes by the metric system unlike us here in the U.S. still stuck on standard but would like to know what the difference is. Because if the conversion is like KW to HP than 700hp is a big difference to being 700ps if you follow what I'm saying. If you follow this link http://www.sciencemadesimple.net/cgi-bin/easypower.cgi and plug in the numbers and compare the metric to standard 790 kilowatts equals 1059.41 horsepower. Huge difference and so is your tuner making that horsepower number? That is very impressive if he is making that kind of power truly amazing.
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Originally Posted by 13BTNOS' date='Feb 1 2005, 01:02 AM
Is the conversion for PS to Horsepower the same as Kilowatt to Horsepower and what does PS stand for. I know that Japan goes by the metric system unlike us here in the U.S. still stuck on standard but would like to know what the difference is. Because if the conversion is like KW to HP than 700hp is a big difference to being 700ps if you follow what I'm saying. If you follow this link http://www.sciencemadesimple.net/cgi-bin/easypower.cgi and plug in the numbers and compare the metric to standard 790 kilowatts equals 1059.41 horsepower. Huge difference and so is your tuner making that horsepower number? That is very impressive if he is making that kind of power truly amazing.



1ps=.9998hp So they are near the same. Oddly enough in eight years living in Japan I have never asked anyone what ps stands for, I basically look at 790ps as 790hp.
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Originally Posted by k_flip1' date='Jan 31 2005, 10:06 AM
1ps=.9998hp So they are near the same. Oddly enough in eight years living in Japan I have never asked anyone what ps stands for, I basically look at 790ps as 790hp.



Thanks for the clarification and one more question this is off topic, sorry about that, but what kind of times are they running in Japan in the 1/4? That's it I won't jump this thread anymore. Oh on the stand alone I'm caught right now on either the LTX12S from Microtech or wait to see when the L16 from Microtech comes out supposedly it will have a self tune feature. I have a source that says it should be out by March 2005 so I'll probably wait and see because I don't forsee having my car up and running until late this summer. I really like the Autronic systems but I just can't bring myself to spend that type of money. I don't know I might sell my RX3 so I can get it. LOL... This is the setup I'm doing http://www.raycar.freeservers.com/photo5.html I have exact same setup except I have a different turbo, PT74GTS, and different ems I'm going Microtech. His best time with that setup was 8.6 at 168mph I believe. His new setup he's looking to break into the 7.XX's car is almost done.
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kflip, what trans does that white car run?
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ps stands for "metric horsepower"

it's nearly 1:1 for coversion into bhp.



except the PS will be slightly higher.
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