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From: Louisville KY 40299
Originally Posted by Rob x-7' date='Apr 24 2004, 05:37 AM
some guys with nothing to do opened filters to see how they were made.
Millions of people tore apart Fram filters? Who are these people and what
makes them experts on filters?
some were made better then others, like anything else.
I work on boats, I take apart certain boats, both expensive
and cheap, and we shake our heads and cannot believe the
way they were made, does that mean they will not last?
Does it mean they will sink? Are they dangerous?
Are some cars not made better then others?
Are all tires the same?
Millions of people tore apart Fram filters? Who are these people and what
makes them experts on filters?
some were made better then others, like anything else.
I work on boats, I take apart certain boats, both expensive
and cheap, and we shake our heads and cannot believe the
way they were made, does that mean they will not last?
Does it mean they will sink? Are they dangerous?
Are some cars not made better then others?
Are all tires the same?
Where did anyone say that frams blew up engines? I just said they suck ( which they do ).
Why are you even still posting in here asking for proof of frams destroying engines?
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Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,288
From: Amityville, New York
I use oem filters for no reason except I want the stock parts
under the hood.
I did decide that I was going to cut one open and measure it
and see what its made of and how its made.
Adam- I wasnt reffering to your sarcasm, I am only discussing.
I always say people spread info with no hard facts to back
them up.
So a couple of guys took some filters apart
and exposed that some were made better then others, was there
any actuall scientific studies done to show how the different
manufacturing process is better then another?
I was only saying that just because its made differently doesnt mean
its total garbage. Fram is a huge corporation, I still doubt they will
put out such a inferior product, honestly when I think about it, if
there was some kind of filter failure I would rather have cardboard
going thru my engine then metal parts from the filter end caps.
under the hood.
I did decide that I was going to cut one open and measure it
and see what its made of and how its made.
Adam- I wasnt reffering to your sarcasm, I am only discussing.
I always say people spread info with no hard facts to back
them up.
So a couple of guys took some filters apart
and exposed that some were made better then others, was there
any actuall scientific studies done to show how the different
manufacturing process is better then another?
I was only saying that just because its made differently doesnt mean
its total garbage. Fram is a huge corporation, I still doubt they will
put out such a inferior product, honestly when I think about it, if
there was some kind of filter failure I would rather have cardboard
going thru my engine then metal parts from the filter end caps.
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Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 500
From: Minneapolis,MN
I use fram. Could care less if they are shitty or not. Oil should be changed when its dirty. Filter is just there to keep the big **** out. I have an 86 GTI, it had a fram on it when I bought it 2 years ago. It had ~300k on it then. Still going and still using fram. Why?....Why not.
Gregory
Gregory
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Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,502
From: Canada
The idea here is the filter element design is flawed and lets the bigger pieces of junk go through to the 'clean oil' side! In some cases even the chunks of the cheap element break off and go through the 'clean oil' side!
All just because you don't want to go to a different store to pick up a filter for 25 cents more..
Did you even read the study GMON? Here's one of the highlights of fram's marvelous work:
All just because you don't want to go to a different store to pick up a filter for 25 cents more..
Did you even read the study GMON? Here's one of the highlights of fram's marvelous work:
This filter cartridge has a small outside diameter with a rather low filter element surface area (193 sqin), and features cardboard end caps that are glued in place. The rubber anti-drainback valve seals against the cardboard and easily leaks, causing dirty oil to drain back into the pan. If you have a noisy valve train at startup, this filter is likely the cause. The bypass valves are plastic and are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak all the time, but they often leak anyway. The backplate has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which may restrict flow, and is made of thin material.
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