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deiwales 01-21-2003 03:58 PM

Thinking of modifying my rx-7 (90 turbo 2) when i get one. Will probably start with suspension, strut braces and new tyres, then exhaust, what are the consequences of adding a more free flowing exhaust with Cat still on (don't want massive noise). Will it breath better, or will it free up too much pressure off the engine (assuming that is possible)



Now to intake/fuel - erm.... am i right in thinking that if you go too much either way, pre-detonation happens (which is bad right)? so if i add a HKS intake kit will i need to upgrade more than tweaking the timing, or will it be ok w/out adjusting the timing. How do you adjust the timing?



Turbo: How much boost can you get from the stock one? And how? And if i get loads of boost i will need more fuel right? How do i get more fuel, bigger injectors? and how big do the injectors need to be to need a bigger fuel pump.



Oh and I think i'll put better plug and HT leads too, can the coil packs be upgraqded? and why would u do that?



And bearing in mind the above plans, will i need to do something to the ECU? If so how, cheaply?



Your input is helpful to me!

Thanks

1Revvin7 01-21-2003 05:13 PM

1) it will breathe better with a catback system, and sound alot better with a cat still on. No such thing as too little backpressure,



2)detonation is bad, yes. You will not need to tweak the timing with an intake or exhaust. You adjust the CAS by unscrewing a screw and rotating it while watching the timing marks on the eccentric(main) pulley.



3) You can get about 14psi from the stock unit, all you have to do is open up the exhaust/intake. You need more fuel past 11psi. And the stock intercooler is maxing out past 12psi. You can get a bigger fuel pump and injectors, if you do get bigger injectors you will need a piggy back comp or a standalone ems to control them. Get a bigger fuel pump right away, don't even wait till the injectors are too big.



4) you can upgrade the coil packs to like msd blaster coil or something but you don't need to unless you go beyond 400hp or like 17psi on most big turbos, or until you get inj breakup.Most people run either the HKS twinpower or an MSD setup when they start to play. Only use NGK plugs.



5) piggybacks range from 400+ standalones 1200+

VII13B 01-21-2003 05:25 PM

What type of Piggybacks do you recommend?

Turbo II 01-21-2003 07:07 PM

i used this one. fairly simple but if your gonna go bigger later might as well shell out the money for a haltech Cheap Piggy Back System

1Revvin7 01-21-2003 08:23 PM

If I were you I wouldn't even waste my time with a piggyback, just save up and buy a standalone. You're going to get to your limit pretty quick with a piggy back. But the S-afc seems very popular you could get a lot of support if you get one.

sleeperRX7 01-21-2003 10:44 PM

whats a piggy back system? ive read that the new AEMS standaolne system is pretty good, it was in the new issue of super street or sport compact car? they used it on a supra dont know if you could use it on a fc or fd though?

Dumbrotorkid 01-21-2003 11:43 PM

yes...aem ems is supposed to be da bomb diggity.im flippin a coin between that and pfc

woo woo

1Revvin7 01-22-2003 07:26 AM

Well the thing I don't like about either one is you don't get a new wiring harness, you are still using 15+ old wiring, thats why i opted for the haltech, and you can only run up to like 1200cc inj on the PFC

deiwales 01-22-2003 08:30 AM

thanks for the input guys, personally, i would go for a standalone too. But I've got a long way to go before I get one of them, think i'll stick to a better cat exhaust and decent suspension first.



I will keep an eye on this too. If I win some cash on the lottery I will turn my rx-7 into a porsche ravaging monster. Hehe

Dragon 01-24-2003 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by 1Revvin7' date='Jan 22 2003, 05:26 AM
Well the thing I don't like about either one is you don't get a new wiring harness, you are still using 15+ old wiring, thats why i opted for the haltech, and you can only run up to like 1200cc inj on the PFC

No no no... you can go up to 1500 cc's with the commander and if you get the datalogit you can run any size injector you want.. Ie. I have 1680cc injector and I can put 1680 in my map no problem.. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

Apex13B 01-24-2003 08:27 PM

dragon is correct i just checked and he beat me to it...that bastard https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png ...i surfed all around the net checking for you

1Revvin7 01-24-2003 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Dragon' date='Jan 24 2003, 09:20 AM
No no no... you can go up to 1500 cc's with the commander and if you get the datalogit you can run any size injector you want.. Ie. I have 1680cc injector and I can put 1680 in my map no problem.. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

hey stop trying to show me up https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png Thats right I forgot about the commander.

Dragon 01-26-2003 08:13 AM

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png , don't be messin with my P FC... I'm getting to be the P FC guru.. Pretty soon I'll have you all sending them to me to get retuned... :bigok:

1Revvin7 01-26-2003 11:23 AM

Would the maps be the same no matter what standalone ems you would be using? For instance could i use one of your pfc maps for my haltech? I could right.

Dragon 01-26-2003 12:13 PM

You wouldn't be able to use the actual map, but you could plug in the #'s and get about the same effect...

Booostin GSL-SE 01-28-2003 01:25 PM

It all depends on how fast do you want to go. In my situation, I want to accomplish 300hp. There's a lot of things that need to be done to accomplish that safely.



Miguel Vela

84 Gsl-se

pengaru 01-28-2003 06:59 PM

I've heard good things about the aem system, but I personally don't like any of the plug and play things because half the reason I would go to a aftermarket EMS is to eliminate the AFM and old wiring harness. I'd switch to speed/density and run brand new wiring and all new sensors.

ROTARYROCKET7 01-29-2003 10:35 AM

suspension is my area of concentration then exhaust

amp 02-07-2003 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by Dragon' date='Jan 26 2003, 09:13 AM
...don't be messin with my P FC... I'm getting to be the P FC guru

where can i get a hold of pfc for fc...

ROTARYROCKET7 02-07-2003 10:41 PM

suspension, intake and exhaust

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif boingy boingy

rmaiersg 02-07-2003 11:56 PM

If you want a quiet exhaust get the RB turbo back. It makes ALOT of power for an exhaust system and its just about as quiet as exhaust but it has a deep tone. Almost makes it sound like a nice exhuast on a piston engine. And it has a conservative look good for making a sleeper. It's tight... tight like a tiger.

ROTARYROCKET7 02-08-2003 12:10 AM

yeah i want it know. I dunno too much about the design i really like the n1 design but knowone know rx7's like racing beat right


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