From Summit Part # BCI-75007. I have a generic Summit $80 fan in the car now and I am not happy w/ it. I think this one will do the job. I measured my radiator and it will fit perfectly. It will get the whole radiater into the cooling game at low speeds. i.e. Autocrosses / Traffic where I have been havine some issues.



Anyone else using this or something similar. I really wanted a shroud so it will use the whole radiator.



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Nice! I was looking for a unit like that for my k2 radiator.

I'm pretty sure my single 16" permacool moves 1/3 more then that for 1/2 the price.. you'd have to make or have a cowl made for it though..

Cost of overheating and ruining your engine?????



***Searches for Permacool fan***

I'm all for not overheating the engine, but I'm not seeing what that BeCool does that makes your engine less likely to overheat than a cheaper one that pulls comparable air. Maybe it's a magic fan, I don't know, I thought the black magic flex-a-lite fan was already too pricy @ $200 when I bought it.



I mean ****, these are simple DC motors, these people are raping us.

Go to the local junk yard and purchase a 1990-94 3.8L V6 Taurus/Sable?lincoln Town Car eFan. I have one and it really move quite a bit of air. The built in shroud fits almost perfectly and it was only $35. Give it a try before you go spending $280 on a fan.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...withstupid.gif i got the same fan and it pretty much cools it. trust me it should be good enough. since i upgraded to this fan, my temperature has always been at the (approximately) 1/8th mark everytime.

3000$ ecu



2???$ motor



????$ rebuild



I think 280 is affordable if it's the best solution out there. Plus it's the shroud and everything.



Hell I'm getting ready to spend 280 on a goddamn ignitor because it has a lifetime warranty. Who ever said sports cars were cheap??

So does the $35 Taurus fan.



Why don't you guys test them side by side when you purchase the be-cool fan. That would be some good information. I'll buy the Taurus fan from you when you are done if you don't want it.

well if it makes you feel better there are little to no junk yards around here to search or trust me I would have robbed all the fc's to the frame. All the spare reality has been subdivided and sold to your grandparents.



If i were jim i don't think I'd go sifting through other people's garbage for something for his show car. I mean the inside of his engine bay is shiny for god's sake.



to each his own tho.

I would just like to see some side by side performance testing. See if the $280 fan is worth the price, functionallity wise. I would go purchase one from a local yard and send it to you guys. It's your money, I'm not trying to tell you what to do with it. Just giving some viable options.

doesnt the taurus on hi-speed pull like 3000cfm or some crazy ****.



and thats not really a shroud on the fan your buying, its more of a cover because a shroud is cruved and directs flowing air to the fan to be pulled through.



on that "shroud" it's flat, when moving at high speeds the flaps around the "shroud" fly open and let air go directly through them since air is moving fast or at least fast as the fan.



so WITH that shroud you may actually experience higher temps in the situations you mentioned since parts of the radiator now will not flow at ALL at low speeds.



kevin.

teknics = teh dumber

hey thats how it worked on my friends 77 celica, i could videotape it for you or something compared to the curent fan we have in there (a taurus fan mind you)



kevin.

i wish i had room for a shroud, then i could really get the thing cool

I will take pics of the install. I am not slapping that assembly against the radiator.



I am making a shroud to bolt it to . it will be about an inch off of the radiator.

I really want to get around to doing that on my FC.

ohh, ok then.



kevin.

I have debated this topic until I was blue in the face on the EVIL FORUM.



THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE for a PROPERLY designed shroud.

The cooling effiency is in the SHROUD, not the fan.



Study the stock (o-heaven forbid) shroud on an FC, it is a very nicely designed piece. If you are still running a stock or stock replacement radiator, you will be hard -pressed to find a E-fan solution that is as effiecient as the stock FC set-up(Properly working and installed correctly , of course)



Just "slapping" the latest advertised wonder form Jegs, Summit or the local boneyard on your radiator will most likely not utilize the FULL EFFIENCY of the fan you are installing.



I cannot count the number on installs I have seen with a Aftermarket fan, zip-tied thru the core, where the fan is only pulling air across 40-60% of the radiator core.



Select your radiator, build the shroud and then pick the fan. Make lots of cardboard templates and try new ideas. When you get one that fits the Radiator and allows some distance between the core and the fan; go down to a sheetmetal shop and have them bend one up for you or make a mold of it.



The effort will be worth it in the end!.



BTW: JIM this is not an attack on your plans, just the ramblings of a mad man

I wish I could use the stock shroud and fan. The engine swap has basically killed that.



I have a POS summit fan in the car. When I look at how much I have spent on the car it seems stupid to skimp on the fan.



I am planning on fabricating a nice shroud.

I re read your post Banzai



I already have installed a Fluidyne alum radiator. When we swapped this engine in I just "threw in" the current fan while I looked for a better one.



I considered the Taurus fan from a junkyard but decided to go w/ a new fan.



I decided on the Be Cool line beause it is a proven product.



I have been contemplating this fan issue for some time now. I decided a duel puller would be the best. A lot of thought is going into this.

I would make my shroud as "deep" as possible away from the Radiator, The last thing you want is stagnant air in the shroud region. The best approach I can think of is to mock up a shroud, (making it an integral part of the Be-Cool shroud mount points) out of styrofaom sheets (glued and stacked). Then have a good (ie ROB) fiberglass guy make a mold from it and pull a nice shroud. It could be Feiberglass or ever CF (heavan forbid I speak the ricer phrase).



The advantage of this method is you can sculpt nice smooth transitions into the shroud to minimize "dead zones".



Just a humble idea from the mind of BANZAI.

The main reason I liked the Taurus fan, besides fan speed and cost, was the fact that the shroud fit almost pefectly on the stock radiator. I'll post some pics later on. I've been up all night playing poker.

Amazing how much trust people put into a $35 fan from a junk yard, Who is to say how long a junk yard fan will work anyhow?



maybe Jim just wants a NEW fan for his car. Jim obviously has

spent alot of time and money on his car, and takes a good deal

of pride in it, maybe he doesnt want to bolt up a fan from a car

thats over 10 years old and take his chances that it might crap out

at any time.



where did this 3000cfm rating for the taurus fan come from anyhow?



For a cost comparison I looked up a aftermarket fan and shroud

as a replacement for a 1990 V6 Taurus with AC and a shroud, it

was $277, being a Sunday I could not call up Ford for thier price

for a OEM one, nor could I find the specs.



I know if I had the money into the car like he did I would rather

go with something new and spend the extra money if it gave me piece

of mind.

actually, according to this site : FAN the Ford fan pulls 2000cfm, you would

still have to purchase a 75 amp relay, the wiring, the fan controller, as

well as a mounting kit and a diode.



That stuff, according to the web site, cost them

a additional $77 over the cost of the junk yard fan.



Buying a new fan kit it comes with all the things required to install it.



75 amps seems like a **** load of a relay for a fan, I know I have read the

Taurus fan draws alot of power, but 75amps is alot for 2000cfm.



a quote from them:



"Using a Fluke digital clamp ammeter, we tested the starting (or inrush) current draw and the operating current draw. The Taurus fan pulled a little over 130 amps on startup (only for milliseconds) and settled down to right around 40 amps using the high-speed wire. This is why you must upgrade to the bigger alternator and a Bosch high-powered relay"



I know most people just slap this sucker right in the car and drive away with it

thinking they have improved thier cooling, but unless properly installed there is

no way the fan is operating at its 2000cfm capacity.

40amps thats a ton...

yea it is, im happy with my fiero fan but still need a bigger alternator.



kevin.

Thanks Rob, Banzai and Mazdadrifter you guys understand where I am coming from. I have spent 10's of thousands on this car. Should I cheap out now and buy a $35 fan because someone on the internet said it was good???



If you have a Taurus fan and it works for you great. My crappy Summit fan works too for daily driving. Autocross is a whole other ballgame. You drive the car really hard for 40-90 seconds then stop. Cars do not like to stop after a hard 90 seconds of pushing, I usually try to take a short ride at about 50 MPH but that is not feesable sometimes due to the venue layout.



I need a freaking hurricane under my hood on demand. I think w/ a good shroud and some thought this fan I have picked will be awesome.

Just a word of caution. When using an E-Fan and a large single turbo, be wary of the turbo pulling enough CFM to pull the blades into the shroud. I have seen it on 2 FC's one running a T51s and the other with a 20b running a T76, under boost with an open face the fans were ripped apart. Flex-o-lite twins similar to what you have pictured.

Damn, that would suck.

literally.



kevin,.

thats how mine is too.



i used spal fans btw, they are a little harder to get but i needed something super thin (i think the thin fan is 2", i have 3" between the radiator and the crank pulley)

do any of you have the dimensions for the stock radiator?

jim, did you get that expensive fan yet? I'm curious who made the motors for it, I bought the $80 mr gasket ball bearing fan from summit just to see what it was like and the motor casing has REVCOR cast into it, the fan turns out to be a revcor fan simply in a different labeled box. http://www.revcor.com, it's actually pretty nice and will bolt right up to the simple cf shroud i'm putting together. I bet mr gasket paid revcor $5 a fan.

do any of you have the dimensions for the stock radiator?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...&category=33600



I bought the 16" fan this guy sells, turns out it is a Zirgo fan, retails well above his buy it now prices



http://www.zirgo.com/detail.lasso?itemid=ZF16



So I am not too upset, the fan is not loud like most and will definately work for my application

Yeah I go the fan and it was well worth the money. I will take pics of it tomarrow. It has a cowling builtinto it. Its pretty trick. There are a series of rubber flaps on it so when you are sitting still or going slow they flap shut and all the air is being drawn by the fan. When at speed the flap open to let air flow over entire radiator.



I am very pleased w/ the design. I will install it next week. I want to run a heavy guage wire straight fom the battery to it. Then install a soleniod for the ground to turn it on and off. So I get the most power and CFM's out of it.



RX7 13B 4 UR AZZ - I do not have a stock radiator I have a fluidyne but I think its the same size width and height wise. 19.5" tall by 22.5" wide.

not offense but i said that like 500 posts ago.



kevin.

Well, you just offended me.