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j200pruf 12-09-2003 06:01 PM

Well after I was told me car started. I found that it really didn't start. So my mom went behind my back and set up and appointment at a local import shop that said they had a rotory specialist. Well today I towed my car down there (all the time with it in gear trying to start it). It was a no go, it got a lot louder when I had the gas depressed, and it was popping a lot, so I figure it was trying to start but it just couldn't.

But right now I have the car down there and they are going to be doing a check, and I am praying that they don't **** anything up.

I still have no idea why it won't start. I have redone the CAS like 10 times. I checked the CAS resistance, set the TPS 3 times, adjusted the air screw on the TB. Checked the BACV valve reistance. Looked at the FSM wire diagrams to make sure that I had the fuel injectors wire on the right fuel injectors. It sucks.

Plus this car had a new clutch, rebuilt engine, rebuild transmission, rebuild slave cylinder, brand new down pipe/pre-silencer/cat back, rebuilt fuel injectors, etc... And it still won't start https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...O_DIR#>/11.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif

j9fd3s 12-09-2003 06:13 PM

thats wierd no matter whats wrong with it it should have started being towed

Rob x-7 12-09-2003 07:13 PM

did you ever check the timing

1BadassRevvin7 12-09-2003 07:30 PM

My local import shop has a rotary specialist so why wouldn't yours.Import shops can take care of all imports.No rotary specialist could **** your **** up there a specialist.At least you'll get to the bottom of this mess and get it running but they could **** you over with the price $.

tewquick2c 12-09-2003 07:37 PM

Did you check the plugs? Got any spark..

Nemesis 12-09-2003 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by 1BadassRevvin7' date='Dec 9 2003, 07:30 PM
My local import shop has a rotary specialist so why wouldn't yours.Import shops can take care of all imports.No rotary specialist could **** your **** up there a specialist.At least you'll get to the bottom of this mess and get it running but they could **** you over with the price $.

Just because they have the title "Rotary Specialist" doesn't mean they know what they are doing. Just that they are slightly more versed with rotary motors than the other mechanics there.



Make sure they contact you before they do any actual work for you to approve it.

1BadassRevvin7 12-09-2003 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by Nemesis' date='Dec 9 2003, 05:56 PM
Just because they have the title "Rotary Specialist" doesn't mean they know what they are doing. Just that they are slightly more versed with rotary motors than the other mechanics there.



Make sure they contact you before they do any actual work for you to approve it.

to earn the title specialist you have to know what your doing or else you wouldn't be a specialist.But like Nemesis said make sure to have them call before they do anything to your car.

i.didnt.do.it 12-09-2003 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by 1BadassRevvin7' date='Dec 9 2003, 09:55 PM
to earn the title specialist you have to know what your doing or else you wouldn't be a specialist.But like Nemesis said make sure to have them call before they do anything to your car.

I know what I'm doing to my motor. I have a FSM. Am I a specialist? Want me to work on your car?



Probably not.



j200pruf, take word of mouth before having someone work one your car. Know that the person that is working on your car KNOWS what they're doing by asking for references. There are many people around here that say they are "specialists", but theres only one that I would go to because of what people have said.



Just my two cents...

88IntegraLS 12-09-2003 11:50 PM

I think I need to drive up to Portland and look at this beast. PM me.

j200pruf 12-10-2003 01:00 AM

My parents are kinda maid me an appointment, as they are a bit pissed that my car has been in their garage for the last year. And 88 I will be shooting you a PM shortly.

13BAce 12-10-2003 01:37 AM

You damn people need English lessons.

CrassFC3S 12-10-2003 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by 88IntegraLS' date='Dec 9 2003, 09:50 PM
I think I need to drive up to Portland and look at this beast. PM me.

i think you should drive to texas and look at my beast... hahaha its not that far

Jims5543 12-10-2003 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by j200pruf' date='Dec 10 2003, 02:00 AM
My parents sort of made me an appointment. They are a bit pissed that my car has been in their garage for the last year. 88IntegraLS, I will be shooting you a PM shortly.

13BACE - Hows this?

1Revvin7 12-10-2003 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by 13BAce' date='Dec 10 2003, 02:37 AM
You damn people need English lessons.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

13BAce 12-10-2003 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Jims5543' date='Dec 10 2003, 12:54 PM
13BACE - Hows this?

Those are not simple type-o's. I love this post in the FS section:

Wtb-secondary fuel rail that except 1600s.
This stuff annoys me, and I wasn't even an English major. I was a math major. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

13BAce 12-10-2003 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Jims5543' date='Dec 10 2003, 12:54 PM
13BACE - Hows this?

I just realized that you probably edited that. I remember it making absolutely no sense last night.

Turbo II 12-10-2003 04:43 PM

weird? u getting any fuel?

88IntegraLS 12-10-2003 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by 13BAce' date='Dec 9 2003, 11:37 PM
You damn people need English lessons.

You need to have more orgasms bro, you are always so sour. Take some prozac already!

13BAce 12-10-2003 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by 88IntegraLS' date='Dec 10 2003, 03:41 PM
You need to have more orgasms bro, you are always so sour. Take some prozac already!

Actually, your post and his post are the only ones that bothered me. My life is just fine.

Nemesis 12-10-2003 07:38 PM

Quit hijacking his thread. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683607.gif



Any word from the shop on what was wrong with the car?

Jims5543 12-10-2003 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by 88IntegraLS' date='Dec 10 2003, 06:41 PM
You need to have more orgasms bro, you are always so sour. Take some prozac already!

Why?? You offering hand jobs??

Rob x-7 12-10-2003 08:44 PM

now its getting gay in here

13BAce 12-10-2003 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by Jims5543' date='Dec 10 2003, 06:43 PM
Why?? You offering hand jobs??

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88IntegraLS 12-10-2003 09:01 PM

I wouldn't know what to do with his package if I were actually gay enough to imply that I wanted to fondle it with my hands. You queers, I meant that he needs to have more sex with hot women. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

DaddyMac 12-11-2003 12:08 AM

did someone say handjob.

I want a handjob https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif

i.didnt.do.it 12-11-2003 08:03 AM

Yeah...so uh...j200pruf, any word on your car?

Jims5543 12-11-2003 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by 88IntegraLS' date='Dec 10 2003, 10:01 PM
I wouldn't know what to do with his package if I were actually gay enough to imply that I wanted to fondle it with my hands.

You mastubate right? Same thing, different ****.



O.K. I am sorry for thread hijacking. I will stop now.



Is the car still in your possesion j200pruf??



Do you have fuel pressure and/or spark?

j200pruf 12-11-2003 05:02 PM

I got a call from the shop yesterday. They said they got my car to start after the spark plugs were changed and the CAS realigned(sp). They also informed me that I had 75psi on both rotors. But there was some bad news. They said that it ran like ****. Apparently it was knocking and vibrating really bad, bad enough that I wouldn't be able to drive it away. There specialist swapped the ECU from his car and said that it ran a little better, but still really shitty. They think that the rotors aren't properly installed, WTF!!! I am damn near positive they were put in right (the engine could be rotated by hand). And I never noticed a vibration or knock when I was towing it or cranking it over.

When I thought that I blew my old motor, it seems like it was running on only one rotor, and vibrating really bad, didn't remember it knocking though.

I am thinking about finding another ECU, and try regrounding everything. Anyone have any more ideas

UniqueTII 12-11-2003 05:17 PM

75 psi is quite low, isn't it?

j200pruf 12-11-2003 05:25 PM

Normally yes, but it is decent for a fresh rebuild.

13BAce 12-11-2003 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by j200pruf' date='Dec 11 2003, 03:02 PM
I got a call from the shop yesterday. They said they got my car to start after the spark plugs were changed and the CAS realigned(sp). They also informed me that I had 75psi on both rotors. But there was some bad news. They said that it ran like ****. Apparently it was knocking and vibrating really bad, bad enough that I wouldn't be able to drive it away. There specialist swapped the ECU from his car and said that it ran a little better, but still really shitty. They think that the rotors aren't properly installed, WTF!!! I am damn near positive they were put in right (the engine could be rotated by hand). And I never noticed a vibration or knock when I was towing it or cranking it over.

When I thought that I blew my old motor, it seems like it was running on only one rotor, and vibrating really bad, didn't remember it knocking though.

I am thinking about finding another ECU, and try regrounding everything. Anyone have any more ideas

How old is the gas?

Rob x-7 12-11-2003 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by 13BAce' date='Dec 11 2003, 07:18 PM
How old is the gas?

I would double check everything, gas, timing, tps, etc..

j200pruf 12-11-2003 07:32 PM

6 or so gallons of it is pretty damn old, but about 2 months ago I added 5 gallons of gas with a bottle of techron fuel cleaner. I sitll have a few wires to hunt down and fix(although they aren't ECU or runnign related), and some new stuff like my fuel filter and what not.

I also was wondering aobut my oil pan, my new motor that I rebuilt didn't have the same oil pan as the originall motor, instead of having 2 sensors it only has one, and I can't find any reason why they are different.

j200pruf 12-11-2003 07:43 PM

I forgot to ask. Could I have been stupid enough to put the rotors in wrong enough that it would affect the timing, or is the shop as dumb as I though https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png

UniqueTII 12-11-2003 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by j200pruf' date='Dec 11 2003, 05:25 PM
Normally yes, but it is decent for a fresh rebuild.

Sorry, I guess I should've read the whole thread. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif

Rob x-7 12-11-2003 07:56 PM

drain fuel

put new fuel filter in

check timing and take it from there, as for the rest of your questions I

cant quite help you there.

Rob x-7 12-11-2003 08:03 PM

there is a drain plug right on the gas tank by the way

13BAce 12-11-2003 10:03 PM

It could be bad vacuum leaks, etc.

pengaru 12-11-2003 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by j200pruf' date='Dec 12 2003, 01:43 AM
I forgot to ask. Could I have been stupid enough to put the rotors in wrong enough that it would affect the timing, or is the shop as dumb as I though https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png

i highly doubt you put the rotors in wrong, there would be interference issues if they were off by a tooth on the stat gear if thats what they mean.



you have compression, if it doesnt sound like a disaster during the compression test it should be fine internally. Look at the fuel/air/spark stuff, engine management related junk, vacuum leaks etc.

j200pruf 12-12-2003 02:26 PM

Well I just picked up the car and spoke directly to the tech. He swears that all the sensors are good and that there is something internally wrong, making it knock and vibrate really bad. He said it seems like its running on one rotor.

It could be the apex seals, but if those were bad there wouldn't be uniform compression in the engine like there is know. End play, I checked that after teh second rebuild, right in the middle of spec, closer to the tight side. And looking at the paper is says internal issuse, timing is off, it also stated that my ECU is fucked(not in those words).


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