I am going full bridge...
06-15-2006, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by One320B' post='824359' date='Jun 15 2006, 12:51 PM
BTW, why did you get a tach that reads to 8K? Our cars do that already... if you go bridge, you'll make peak power 8K or or higher, so that tach may not be what you need at all anymore....
Also, think of the power curve of the motor, porting changes all of that; if you plan to go full bridge, you may want to look into a scattershield, rb stationary gears, etc... things that you have to look at when revving the motor past 8500 IMHO...
yes it is actually my first build.
i dont plan on revving past 8k.
i have heard of 13b's going as high as 11k, how obtainable is that? what is needed?
my ecu is stock injectors are stock
06-15-2006, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by One320B' post='824358' date='Jun 15 2006, 12:47 PM
Yea, sorry.. I didn't notice you were a 6 porter...
The only real thing is, you have to really figure this one out.. bridged 6 ports is a lot of ports, lol. You say your going full bridge, but why? I'm not being an ***, just gauging for more information. You will more than likely have to make your own templates unless you find somebody who has already done this. I would focus on the primary ports more so than the 5th and 6th ports... not sure how the results will turn out for top end power...
Things to keep in mind.. stay out of the water jacket, and don't go so far that you have to cut into the housing... this is considered a Large bridge or sometimes a J-bridge...
Is this going to be your first rebuild ever?
i dont plan on making it j-bridge at all, im looking for a bridge but nothing crazy.
i think porting the 5th and 6th ports will ehlp with high end power since they help with flow.
06-15-2006, 07:28 PM
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You keeping stock ECU on a bridged 6port? Um....
Either way, the reason I say the top end might get affected is the fact that the additional air intake/direction may cause turbulence w/ the extra ports... i could be talking out my ***, but its just a thought.
11K is way out of the realm of a daily driver...
If you don't plan on going past 8K, then why are you bridge porting the motor? I'm trying to figure out why your doing this...
Also, for a first build, I wouldn't doing anything past a sp...thats how I started; if i had done a bridge port... I would have cut the ports too sharp and messed up a few times, not to mention the additional tuning involved...
These are all things to think about...
Either way, the reason I say the top end might get affected is the fact that the additional air intake/direction may cause turbulence w/ the extra ports... i could be talking out my ***, but its just a thought.
11K is way out of the realm of a daily driver...
If you don't plan on going past 8K, then why are you bridge porting the motor? I'm trying to figure out why your doing this...
Also, for a first build, I wouldn't doing anything past a sp...thats how I started; if i had done a bridge port... I would have cut the ports too sharp and messed up a few times, not to mention the additional tuning involved...
These are all things to think about...
06-15-2006, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ChainSawOnSteroids' post='823974' date='Jun 13 2006, 10:11 AM
anyone? has anyone here done this?
06-15-2006, 08:10 PM
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party poopers, i want some brap brap noise 
i dont plan on making extreme levels of power nor high revs.
but i want more power than i have now even if it is only up high, it is not a daily driver, i only drive it to drift events , or maybe a couple hours on the weekend(rarely).
i dont plan on making extreme levels of power nor high revs.
but i want more power than i have now even if it is only up high, it is not a daily driver, i only drive it to drift events , or maybe a couple hours on the weekend(rarely).
06-15-2006, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BDC' post='824435' date='Jun 15 2006, 08:48 PM
Sorry to be a naysayer, but I don't think it's going to run on the stock ECU at all. I would not do this whatsoever unless you had a full standalone in the car.
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I too would be shocked if it would even idle on a stock ecu, let alone drive or boost...
06-15-2006, 09:10 PM
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He's not turbo E... na 6port... lol, I missed it the first time too.
Ok, your probably going to really consider me an ***... but if you want the bridge for the idle exhaust note... I'm just going to have to go out on a limb here and call you a ricer. Don't take it too personally, but lets look at it, you like to paint things... you have an 8K RPM tach on a car that has one factory.. not to mention..the tach serves no purpose over the stocker aside from looks...
Also, if you "drift" your car ...bridge porting an NA is NOT want you want.. I consider myself to be a good driver and as more events allow me, a pretty good drifter and you want torque and hp lower on the drift course... a bridge port is not going to help you on the drift circuit in NA... now my other 13B that I plan to put in my FC is a bridge motor, but it's boosted at 1.7bar, torque isn't a problem...
Seriously, think about how we see this... you really need to consider what you want.
Ok, your probably going to really consider me an ***... but if you want the bridge for the idle exhaust note... I'm just going to have to go out on a limb here and call you a ricer. Don't take it too personally, but lets look at it, you like to paint things... you have an 8K RPM tach on a car that has one factory.. not to mention..the tach serves no purpose over the stocker aside from looks...
Also, if you "drift" your car ...bridge porting an NA is NOT want you want.. I consider myself to be a good driver and as more events allow me, a pretty good drifter and you want torque and hp lower on the drift course... a bridge port is not going to help you on the drift circuit in NA... now my other 13B that I plan to put in my FC is a bridge motor, but it's boosted at 1.7bar, torque isn't a problem...
Seriously, think about how we see this... you really need to consider what you want.
06-16-2006, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ChainSawOnSteroids' post='824444' date='Jun 15 2006, 09:10 PM
party poopers, i want some brap brap noise
i dont plan on making extreme levels of power nor high revs.
but i want more power than i have now even if it is only up high, it is not a daily driver, i only drive it to drift events , or maybe a couple hours on the weekend(rarely).
god damn leo, long time no see. I'm moving to colorado in a few days.
these kids dont know their history very well!
I've driven with you and i think that what you want to do is a great idea, but i have no experience on FULL bridgeing
Judge ITO did a 6 port full bridge, It was faster than most of these guys T2's. Stock ECU, injectors and exhaust. Contact vosko, juan (ITO) retired or closed down his shop from what i understand. When i saw him at rotorfest last year, he said it was reliable setup that was fast and easy to drive. I bridged the 5th and 6th ports on my vert, and i hated it, peaky shitty motor......full bridge it or go home!
Look in the video section http://www.vosko.net/media/burnout/ . The video is called bridgesixportburnout.
06-16-2006, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by One320B' post='824463' date='Jun 15 2006, 10:10 PM
He's not turbo E... na 6port... lol, I missed it the first time too.
Ok, your probably going to really consider me an ***... but if you want the bridge for the idle exhaust note... I'm just going to have to go out on a limb here and call you a ricer. Don't take it too personally, but lets look at it, you like to paint things... you have an 8K RPM tach on a car that has one factory.. not to mention..the tach serves no purpose over the stocker aside from looks...
Also, if you "drift" your car ...bridge porting an NA is NOT want you want.. I consider myself to be a good driver and as more events allow me, a pretty good drifter and you want torque and hp lower on the drift course... a bridge port is not going to help you on the drift circuit in NA... now my other 13B that I plan to put in my FC is a bridge motor, but it's boosted at 1.7bar, torque isn't a problem...
Seriously, think about how we see this... you really need to consider what you want.
i was actually being sarcastic about the idle!
i am in no way a ricer.
i changed my paint because i can.
i am planning on doing this since it has been done before with stock parts, including ecu.
i have the most important things already.
drifting an fc as you know is hard as it is, taking away low end which it already doesnt have makes no difference to me, i usually drift while the rpms are very high i.e. over 5,800-8k so the fact that all the power it will produce will be up top, is no issue for me.
the tach i have was from an old supercoupe that i had so i used it on this one since it is much more accurate than the stock.
again to emphasize my reason for doing this:
i want to do it because i can!
i dont drive the car more than 10 times a year (maybe) so driveability is not a factor for me, i dont however want to spend money on it either for that same reason.
some people here know me, and can tell you im no ricer.