The Goal, 170whp N/A
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From: Columbia IL/St. Louis MO
It all comes down to what your goals are with the car, the purpose of the car, and your budget. If you have a small budget, save your pennies and start eating ramen 3 times a day.
I wonder how much Lee has spent so far on turboing his original 6port N/A motor? And roughly how much power he is looking at? Compare that to an N/A? Your results are right there.
I wonder how much Lee has spent so far on turboing his original 6port N/A motor? And roughly how much power he is looking at? Compare that to an N/A? Your results are right there.
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Originally Posted by MJG' post='871537' date='May 12 2007, 02:54 AM
What exactly would cost so much during all of this? You can easily make your own exhaust, even if buying in an RB header for a few hundred $. Get a few scrap UIM/LIM or whatever and port them good. Then portmatch everything, junk all emissions/unnecessary ****, sort a proper cold air feed, then all you really have to buy is new leads/plugs and an air filter and SAFC?
I want to do similar, but I don't mind ripping the lump apart and trying for a decent bridgeport too (I hope this is where the real gains can be had).
Anyone can get 300bhp turbo, but where's the fun in that? And the way I see it, might be wrong, but the turbo's alone are $500, intercooler $200, piping $100, proper downpipe/elbow, then you have all the complexities of mapping to deal with. I can't see how, for a reliable 200bhp @ the flywheel a turbo would be cheaper/easier.
the stock intakes arent that good, porting helps but its like using a toothpick to kill an elephant. the ecu sucks once you mod the thing too.
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Originally Posted by rowtareh' post='871547' date='May 12 2007, 09:47 AM
It all comes down to what your goals are with the car, the purpose of the car, and your budget. If you have a small budget, save your pennies and start eating ramen 3 times a day.
I wonder how much Lee has spent so far on turboing his original 6port N/A motor? And roughly how much power he is looking at? Compare that to an N/A? Your results are right there.
like i said, im probably in around 2k, if that.
im pretty sure i got all the stock parts for about 800ish, + or - some, but its not hard to find some deals. i got a lot of it in chunks of parts from people parting and the such.
i already had the safc when i did it, but i found a deal and got a safc2 for only 180.
picked up some 720's for $50.
oil pedastal and some oil cooler hose from summity, like $60
2751 blockoff set $50
picked up a boost/watertemp/oiltemp gauge set for $50
$80 ebay ic core, and $80 ebay piping. Maybe another 50-80 in misc additional couplers.
downpipe and midpipe was $150, already had a catback.
not running a bov, but used ones are cheap, or do the crushed dsm whatever.
wideband was $250, but you could always just get a shop to tune it.
im running a NA TB elbow, so you could do that, or add $100 for a greddy one or like $20 for a stock one.
i still need a clutch, but thats like what, 150-300? ive heard some good things about those $150 xtd six pucks and am learning that way.
so thats under 2k, and with all the little misc **** its probably right about 2k.
and it was easy too. fill in and port the lim to match, make room for the fmic, cut two wires at the ecu plug, and then bolt and plug in everything and youre good to go.
and im atleast around stock tii power, maybe more. stock 8psi + the slightly higher compression. once i get a clutch and tune it better then my rich everywhere tune right now i wanna throw it on a dyno.
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Originally Posted by Rotary_Engaged' post='871256' date='May 9 2007, 10:58 PM
That's my goal I figure I'm going to need the following:
Intake
Header
Exhaust
High Flow Cat
Full Synthetics All Around
Upgrade Spark Plugs Wires/ Reground major grounds
ECU (pocket logger or Apexi SAFC)
Clutch
Flywheel
?light drive shaft?
Any other things I could do? (besides porting, want to avoid taking the engine out/apart)
87 S4 BTW
I figure low 15's or high 14's with that much hp. @ <2600 lbs.
Hers is my take, wether you want to extract as much HP as possible from a NA, or want to go turbo; your best investment will be a stand alone ecu (microtech\haltech\Wolf).
Put your $$$ there, the sky will be your limit aftewards...
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Originally Posted by jwteknix' post='871581' date='May 12 2007, 05:04 PM
i have noting bad to say about the xtd sprung 6 puck it was a good clutch to dd on after the engine swap i replaced it w/ the rb unsprong 6 punk and its not bad
Ouch, I ended up replacing the OEM flywheel after a couple of years of using the RB unsprung clutch disk
