Hey guys, Its been a while. I have a question maybe one of you can answer.



I want to get an Engine Torque Damper, but I can't seem to find one for the FC.



Anybody knows where I can get one?

home depot!



but seriously, why do you want one? if anything just get solid engine mounts, same effect.



kevin.

racing beat or mazda trix has one

yes but with a toqure brace there is less vibration and stress on the mounts



randy

Personally I would go for the solid mounts, what do you think is going to happen to the stock rubber ones when you try to stop them from moving?



They are going to break because you are trying to prevent them from moving at the furthest possible, this is almost counter productive.

i've got solid engine and tranny mounts, seems to help with engne roll. of course a slight increase in vibration, i'm not coplaining https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.gif

i went with the mazdamotorsports hard rubber engine and tranny mounts with a mazdatrix strut bar with toqure brace and have not had a failure of any mounts in the last 5 years since i went that route. there is no vibration what so ever and is less , i beleive , stress on the mounts because with the brace the engine is not moving around .



randy

alright well lets look at this from a different perspective:



A) with solid mounts, if indeed there is more stress on where the mounts mount to the frame, then there's more stress in an area which is designed specifically to handle the highest amounts of stress as possible. If you were to drop something heavy on the hood of the car the motor isnt gonna snap out of it's carriage. Solid motor mounts also eliminate the torqueing by simply not moving if the mounts cant move the engine cannot torque, and cannot transfer that torque anywhere.



B) put on an aftermarket torque brace, now you're putting a pretty decent amount of additional stress on 2 points of the car that were not designed to have that additional stress. Nevermind the fact that the torque brace doesnt *prevent* torqueing of the motor, it simply transfers the torqueing of the motor to the body of the car, even if you cant see it youll feel it in a corner.



Make your own decisions, but dont believe all the bullshit about solid engine mounts shaking your teeth out. The only solid engine mounts that do that are on v8's. on a rotary you get a small shimmy of a vibration below 1500rpm, you feel absolutely nothing anywhere above 1500rpm.



personally the torque brace is a ghetto solid mount, and we all know what ghetto mods are....less effective then the real thing.



kevin.

see with a brace like the one i run the stress points are the strut mounts wich are designed to cary the weight of the vehical so adding a little bit of stress so you say to them via a strut to strut to fire wall with toqure brace does not im opinion hurt anything. i have seen just a shock style brace AKA a damper wich just bolts to strut bolts that i do have a problem with. i also dont like the solid mount trans mounts as to me i would worry about breaking a tail stock with a few hard launchs. i dont know i am happy with the brace and hardend mounts and dont see the need on a street car to use solid mounts.



randy

I made my own using an engine damper meant for a 180sx and made my own mounts. It made a huge difference in terms of engine movement. Because it is a damper or shock, not a piece of metal bar like the Mazdaspeed one, it reduces the torque but does not stop it from moving completely.

Solidly mounting it may put more stress on points that are not designed for it, but this works perfectly to reduce the movement of the engine.

If anyone wants the templates for the bits I made, let me know and I can trace it the general shape of it then post them up.

Sorry about the quality if the pics, was taken on my old camera phone!

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I'd be interested in seeing those templates. Your set up looks pretty much like what I want to do.

No probs, I'll do some general ones over the weekend and you can adjust them so they fit your setup.

Ok before I begin:

*** If you attempt to make one of these I cannot be held responsible for anything that results in any damage to your car or yourself. You do this knowingly at your car and your own risk.***



Ok, here are some rough measurements, what I did was use some cardboard to get a rough shape and then made sure it all ligned up and the distance was ok for the damper I used.

Then I made a much better template out of cardboard and went to a metal shop to have them cut out the shape for me. Then I cleaned it up using an angle grinder. The metal is roughly 5 mm thick and has held up to the stress fine so far. All the bolts I used are high tensile steel nuts and bolts with washers and lock washers, just in case.



The engine damper I used was roughly 29.5 cm from hole to hole.



Use these to start with then adjust yours so it all fits, I don't have a scanner so hopefully the measurements will do.

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To attach the second bracket to the shock tower, I used two existing bolt holes that the brackets for the aircon pipe use to secure to the car.



Let me know how you go with this and I'll help where I can.

Here's my thread on this topic from a few months back:



https://www.nopistons.com/forums/ind...howtopic=66173



Item seems to work fine, but I still intend to replace my motor mounts, since I'm beating on the car pretty hard, and I suspect they've seen better days.



Only you know which you have more of, money or time, but for me it was an easy decision. I can't imagine taking the time to fab something that has already been developed by Racing Beat and sells for less than $100.



But if you do have the time, that's great.

If I could have bought a kit easily I would have, but Racing Beat stuff is hard to get where I am. I prefer the damper style anyway.



I got the damper for next to nothing off my mate who didn't need it and just had a metal shop cut out the pieces and cleaned it all up myself. This cost me easily under $50 and a bit of my time.



I did this as well as getting new mounts, this just helps to extend the life of mine, just a little bit.

Thanks for the templates. I'll probably use this as a basis when I get around to making one. Need to get my engine back in the bay first, and see what size piston I can get.



Stupid question, but what material did you use for the plates? Steel? Aluminum?

I used some steel plate, thats one of the reasons I had the metal shop cut it out for me, that and they would do it neater than me! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif



Well let me know how you go and stuff, I'd be interested to see how you end up mounting it, etc. Probably a lot neater than me! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif