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Ahc 04-11-2009 10:17 PM

well...Ive tried everything I could without tearing into the damn thing.



tps is set to my knowledge...



idle adjust screw on top of the throttle body doesnt seem to work...



unplugged the bacv...wouldnt idle AT ALL...plugged it back in cause that doesnt seem to be the problem.



sprayed some WD-40 to check for vacuum leaks, didnt find any off hand...need to check some-more



changed the plugs...the old ones were FOULED! very fouled.



plug wires were swapped too...someone used regular plug wires so, I swapped them out for better contact on the coils...



and right before I went out to mess with it I popped a new battery in it...that was about 2 hours ago...



Im kinda worried about a bad seal now...I really dont want to tear into the engine yet. I guess the next thing Im gonna do is sent the injectors off to be cleaned and what-not, but after that if it still isnt idling right, I dont know what to do!!!



I got a vid a little while ago of it trying to idle...notice I said trying to idle. check it out and lemme know what you think...I have other vids of it too



for the idle vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzsSV4PsM5Q

for more: youtube.com/ahcompy



TYVM for any suggestions!!

RicerJ 04-12-2009 01:20 AM

man yours is way up there i thought mine was low lol since its like well below 1

Ahc 04-12-2009 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by RicerJ' post='920336' date='Apr 12 2009, 01:20 AM
man yours is way up there i thought mine was low lol since its like well below 1



haha trade ya!



the damn thing is acting hella weird...before I unloaded it off the trailer, it was idling SMOOTH at 2...since its unloaded the left blinker light on the gauge cluster has started working again and its been idling weird and sometimes it starts in "limp mode" https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.gif and it wont let me rev above 4k rpm...



trailer queen by heart...lmao https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.gif

RicerJ 04-12-2009 03:33 AM

haha no way sounds like a nice fun project for you

1988RedT2 04-12-2009 06:15 AM

Spark plugs can tell you a lot about an engine. You say they were fouled. Were they covered with oil? Were they wet and smelled of gasoline? Or just covered with a lot of dry, brown carbon?



You may find the answer to your idle problem right there.



If you have concerns about engine seals, do a compression check or have one done. If it turns out good, you have peace of mind. If not, well at least you won't waste time chasing problems that don't matter. Any new to me rotary I like to check compression first, to let me know where I stand.

j9fd3s 04-12-2009 01:14 PM

just check the damn compression already!

Ahc 04-12-2009 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by 1988RedT2' post='920341 (Post 828018)
just check the damn compression already!



BAH! lol waiting till payday lol https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.gif



I did go out and **** around for about 10 mins and figured out that my 5th and 6th port vacuum actuators were stuck, so I opened and closed them and now they work. So there goes my 4k rpm wall, now she revs beautifully. But, the idle is still hideous and there IS a vac leak somewhere, you can hear it after the car dies or I kill the key...its right by the oil filter. I just need to get my lazy ass out there and find it https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif . Ill do it after the rain here clears up, i guess. Well, what could be leaking down vacuum after the engine is off near the oil pump? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif I didnt see any type of canister there to hold vac...I dunno. I know its going to be something simple and is going to make me look like a jackass when I find it. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

Ahc 04-12-2009 02:38 PM

found some useful diagrams...one's from alldatapro, the other I found somewhere online...dont remember if it was here...or somewhere else. either way...they should help someone.

Ahc 04-13-2009 05:51 PM

UPDATE:



went out to mess with it after work, and I got it to idle a little smoother...thats not saying much though...but I revved it to make sure all the vac actuators weren't stove-up again and in between 2 pretty good revs, the thing backfired...like intake backfire...not gassy exhaust buildup backfire...



now thats got me thinking its something to do with the CAS...or timing...or a combination of that and much much more.



on a positive note, I did get it to idle pretty smooth at 1700 today...rather than 2.5k...haha



well...if anyone has ant ideas, lemme know...kinda trying to fix and not spend atm...waiting for payday

RicerJ 04-13-2009 07:13 PM

haha well you got it down thats good but i blew my 80 amp main fuse last night and didnt realize it until i tried to start my damn car and it wouldnt start no crank no nothing

Ahc 04-14-2009 04:48 PM

Well that's no good... Wonder why it blew... Mebbe just old and corroded... I unno



Yeah , my dad seems to think the fuel press reg is dying... I don't know though, I'm leaning more towards a very well hidden vacuum leak, dirty primaries, and my lack of know-how to work on this thing LOL



But I seriously don't know what I need to do next. Tps won't calibrate 100% right every time I try to get it to idle at-all, dad and I tried adjusting the cas ... Didn't help, wd-40 wouldn't help find a vacuum leak...so...I don't know what the hell's going on now... Guess it's all going to be trial and error then LOL. I'll start with the fps and move to the other sensors, I guess.

RicerJ 04-14-2009 06:00 PM

i just found out today i need to replace my o rings on my injectors damn o rings making me wok even more on it

Ahc 04-14-2009 09:08 PM

SUCCESS!! I found a leak!!! its on the back side of the throttle body where the throttle cable connects! wd-40 makes it kinda chill-out while either makes it rev about 1k above the (still kinda rough) idle...



now, I just need to do a once-over on everything else... when it idles, its very rough...talking about when wd mellows it out...just strikes me as a little odd...



and I need a new TPS...it runs the car and adjusts alright...but the diag. leds are both lit unless under acceleration.



resistance is close, but not quite...miss the mark both... top to right prong, its like 4k out 2.4k in top to left like 4k in to 2k out now Im trying to remember these...I wrote them down somewhere lol think they're out in the car.



guess Im going to grab a can of wd from work tomorrow lol. I finished my little can looking for leaks...lmao




Originally Posted by RicerJ' post='920474' date='Apr 14 2009, 06:00 PM
i just found out today i need to replace my o rings on my injectors damn o rings making me wok even more on it



wtf told you that? lol I may need to get some new ones too...who knows?

RicerJ 04-15-2009 12:17 AM

well for one a gas smell coming from the front for 2 i just got an alinment done at firestone (one of those lifetime ones) and they confirmed it was the o rings on the injectors

Ahc 03-30-2010 07:16 PM

I know Im bring this back from the dead, but I finally pulled the motor because Im finally working steady again. pulled the intake off and that nuclear-reactor of an exhaust manifold off and spun the motor by hand to see what I was afraid of... the rear rotor exh. port was BLACK...not oil black, but like carbon/soot black... front is kinda tan from running lean. front rotor has BEAUTIFUL apex seals that are just as shiny as could be...the back...gnarled-up.



looks like its time for a rebuild and maybe new rear internals......who knows...Ill keep y'all updated and try to get pics too

Baldy 03-31-2010 07:43 AM

Did you ever do a compression test?


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