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13-b 04-20-2008 06:44 PM

hey. ive been looking at this black fc for sale near me. the owner of the car says the car wont run. she says last summer the car ran rough and made black smoke. than she ran the car a month this year but then it wont start anymore. the car has 145k mi and doesnt look like it was run very hard at all. it looks babied to me. you think it could be an apex seal?



lemme know as soon as you can, i want to buy it. i just need it to run for a short time until i can finish getting the money for a turbo II engine swap.



(by the way can you use the n/a transmission on the turboII engine? like, is there any problems bolting it up? thanks)

dac 04-20-2008 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by 13-b' post='898959' date='Apr 20 2008, 11:44 PM
hey. ive been looking at this black fc for sale near me. the owner of the car says the car wont run. she says last summer the car ran rough and made black smoke. than she ran the car a month this year but then it wont start anymore. the car has 145k mi and doesnt look like it was run very hard at all. it looks babied to me. you think it could be an apex seal?



lemme know as soon as you can, i want to buy it. i just need it to run for a short time until i can finish getting the money for a turbo II engine swap.



(by the way can you use the n/a transmission on the turboII engine? like, is there any problems bolting it up? thanks)



Nice FC's are harder and harder to fine. I'd say if you buy it plan on replacing the motor, just from the miles alone it may be time. Black smoke is usually too much fuel. The trans will bolt up but the T2 uses a larger flywheel and clutch, so I'm not sure a N/A trans will work. The Turbo trans is definately stronger.

fcs13 04-20-2008 11:52 PM

I say if she isnt asking too much for it (like under 1k) to jump on it as is before anyone else can. Especially if you plan to replace the engine with T2. The engine swap should already come with the transmission and everything else. Ebay usually has a complete swap for right around 1-1.2k. I think Jarcoinc or Jhot are usually the ones who sell on ebay. You might find someone selling a setup for pretty cheap on here also, just lurk around who knows you might get lucky.

Baldy 04-21-2008 07:21 AM

Do a compression test, for all you know the engine could just be flooded. Black smoke could just mean leaky fuel injectors.



If you're not familiar with the procedure for a compression test, it's quite simple. Compression tester is fairly cheap ($20 or less), you remove a spark plug, screw in the compression tester, remove the EGI fuse, and have someone crank the engine over. Hold down the pressure release valve on the tester, and watch for 3 even bounces. Then do the same for the other rotor.



You might be able to get a perfectly running car for cheap, you can never know for sure without doing a compression check.



If you think it might be flooded with fuel, remove the spark plug, remove the fuse, and crank it over a few times to clear out any fuel (if it's flooded bad, it can make it seem like there is no compression).

13-b 04-21-2008 01:37 PM

i might try it this weekend. my dad has a compression tester.



shes sellin it for 1k but i can drop it down lower than that, then i found the swap with everything for like 1450 shipped online sumwhere. me, my dad, and this other guy are going to put it in, if they want to help me out...if not i gotta find some mechanics in mass that could help! im tryin to avoid spending too much. do any of you know anyone that could help me out?



and what do u recommend that i do to get it running after the compression test? if it doesnt crank over wat should i do?



sorry about the massive list of questions, but one more thing.



should i go for a jdm t2 w/ usdm harness, or just a usdm thanks guys.

13-b 04-21-2008 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. B' post='898971' date='Apr 21 2008, 12:52 AM
I say if she isnt asking too much for it (like under 1k) to jump on it as is before anyone else can. Especially if you plan to replace the engine with T2. The engine swap should already come with the transmission and everything else. Ebay usually has a complete swap for right around 1-1.2k. I think Jarcoinc or Jhot are usually the ones who sell on ebay. You might find someone selling a setup for pretty cheap on here also, just lurk around who knows you might get lucky.



well i have found many fc's with non running (or no) engines for like way less than shes asking. but hers looks like its in really good condition on the exterior. like i dont see any rust. the interior is great as well other than the steering wheel. im attaching pics.

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theres others in boston.craigslist.org under rx7. and in other areas surrounding mass. (conn, ri, nh, me, even albany.) but they dont look as good as this one. go see!

13-b 04-21-2008 02:19 PM

ok disregard those last posts. heres my game plan.



im droppin the idea of the t2 swap. jus gonna turbo the n/a. i figure that would be a lot easier on my pockets.





and i dont have to worry about the n/a engine, because....



someone on here is sellin a 90kmi n/a engine and tranny for 550. if i get that, i can jus drop the motor in no problem. i can do it in a day. and i have a tranny i can sell along with it



also. i have a running vert i can buy instead. the only problem is that it heats up too quickly. i can drive it home, and then i can swap the engine in. i wont have to worry about goin out of state (with the other fc) and i wont worry about towing because it runs!



so after all of it is done, i spend 1000 on the car, DRIVE it home, get the engine & put it in, and now i have a well running vert. easy as pie https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.gif



im very close to 1500 too.

Baldy 04-21-2008 03:32 PM

Wait, so you're going to buy a vert, buy an engine and tranny, then put a turbo on? I'm confused.

13-b 04-21-2008 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by Baldy' post='899004' date='Apr 21 2008, 04:32 PM
Wait, so you're going to buy a vert, buy an engine and tranny, then put a turbo on? I'm confused.



yeah, basically put. the vert is running, so id rather have that. but its a problem im not to familiar with (water jacket???) so im gonna buy the n/a engine, then port it, THEN im gonna turbo it. id rather do that then travel to conneticut to pick up a non runnin hatch and tow it. u get wat i mean? it would be a lot easier on my wallet.



btw, do you know what a water jacket is? is it another name for the coolant paths in the housing or something?

Baldy 04-22-2008 07:29 AM

Not to be antagonistic, but if you can't solve a simple overheating problem (could be as simple as the t-stat), how do you plan on porting and turboing an n/a motor?

nvrdone 04-22-2008 12:12 PM

Turboing an n/a could easily cost more then swapping in a turbo motor. That is what I was originally going to do but... I have this disease that causes me to, ummmm, not do anything. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...closedeyes.gif

13-b 04-22-2008 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Baldy' post='899056' date='Apr 22 2008, 08:29 AM
Not to be antagonistic, but if you can't solve a simple overheating problem (could be as simple as the t-stat), how do you plan on porting and turboing an n/a motor?





i porbably can, its just i have no idea what a water jacket is.





im not personally doing the porting myself, im gonna have dent sport grage in norwood, or jnrmotorsports.biz do it for me if my class cant help.



the turbo setup im going to be putting in with my class (at B.f.i.t. university) like next year.

13-b 04-22-2008 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by nvrdone' post='899071' date='Apr 22 2008, 01:12 PM
Turboing an n/a could easily cost more then swapping in a turbo motor. That is what I was originally going to do but... I have this disease that causes me to, ummmm, not do anything. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...closedeyes.gif





lol im actually looking for more than a challenge. i read the topic about n/a to turbo and i figure its more educational value going this route.



i guess the caveat that once you buy aftermarket goods, u tend to want everything else, doesnt apply to u huh? haha. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.gif

RX7 13B 4 UR AZZ 04-23-2008 03:07 AM

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there have been a couple people who have successfully turboed n/a's but with a standalone EMS. Bye standard practice which i learned first hand putting a turbo on a used n/a even with a standalone EMS is not a viable source of fun. I helped a buddy of mine turbo his 88 n/a with all the goodies and what not didnt last 30 minutes. My opinion now do it right or go home. Either build a turbo motor or Build a n/a plain and simple.



An N/a Can be fun I had the 88 my friend turboed before he did and it was a fun car. My Old N/A had RB Header/Presilencer/Custom catback, Cold Air Intake, FC1000 Ignition, AC/PS removed, Magnacore 10 mm wires, Light flywheel and a ACT clucth. the car vas very fun to drive and a 75 shot NO2 would have been the next upgrade but it never got it that would have made the car seriously nice



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No its not photoshop i have the video

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13-b 04-23-2008 11:32 PM


Originally Posted by RX7 13B 4 UR AZZ' post='899116' date='Apr 23 2008, 04:07 AM
there have been a couple people who have successfully turboed n/a's but with a standalone EMS. Bye standard practice which i learned first hand putting a turbo on a used n/a even with a standalone EMS is not a viable source of fun. I helped a buddy of mine turbo his 88 n/a with all the goodies and what not didnt last 30 minutes. My opinion now do it right or go home. Either build a turbo motor or Build a n/a plain and simple.



An N/a Can be fun I had the 88 my friend turboed before he did and it was a fun car. My Old N/A had RB Header/Presilencer/Custom catback, Cold Air Intake, FC1000 Ignition, AC/PS removed, Magnacore 10 mm wires, Light flywheel and a ACT clucth. the car vas very fun to drive and a 75 shot NO2 would have been the next upgrade but it never got it that would have made the car seriously nice



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No its not photoshop i have the video

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how much hp did your car make? cuz thats sick haha show the video!!!



initially, i had a problem with n/a engines. they really dont make as much power as a turbo could.

but the advantage of n/a's, theres no lag to overcome.





if im going to go n/a, which is the best type of port to get? (bridgeport?)



and your opinion on ram air vs. cold air?



thanks.

badluck13 04-24-2008 02:34 PM

dude whatever you decide to do just remember it will never cost just 1000 do it right figure out what you want n/a or turbo then go that route and see where it takes you but it will cost more than 1000 trust me i got into rotaries 1 year ago and have spent thousands and now i am almost done

teknics 04-24-2008 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by badluck13' post='899220' date='Apr 24 2008, 03:34 PM
dude whatever you decide to do just remember it will never cost just 1000 do it right figure out what you want n/a or turbo then go that route and see where it takes you but it will cost more than 1000 trust me i got into rotaries 1 year ago and have spent thousands and now i am almost done



lol, in my past 7-8 years of working on my own rotaries i've probably thrown around almost 80k, if not more...seriously. That of course is for an 89t2 capable of over 550whp with a completely done exterior and a 94fd which will easily hit the 500whp mark as well. and an 88n/a that i didnt really put any money into at all and only bought for $500 so i normally dont count it lol.



kevin.

13-b 04-25-2008 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by teknics' post='899231' date='Apr 24 2008, 05:49 PM
lol, in my past 7-8 years of working on my own rotaries i've probably thrown around almost 80k, if not more...seriously. That of course is for an 89t2 capable of over 550whp with a completely done exterior and a 94fd which will easily hit the 500whp mark as well. and an 88n/a that i didnt really put any money into at all and only bought for $500 so i normally dont count it lol.



kevin.



ur my idol





i wish i had that kind of money hahaha. i wanna get into rotaries like that.



i think im gonna go for the n/a route. im looking for about 300-350 hp though and i want to drift. what mods should i be looking at? (dont tell me the price lol)

teknics 04-28-2008 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by 13-b' post='899340' date='Apr 25 2008, 11:32 PM
ur my idol





i wish i had that kind of money hahaha. i wanna get into rotaries like that.



i think im gonna go for the n/a route. im looking for about 300-350 hp though and i want to drift. what mods should i be looking at? (dont tell me the price lol)



dont idolize me, hell dont even be like me. its not fun once it all catches up with you. I never charged anytyhing, never even had a credit card, and still dont, but now all i do is think about the nice house or something else I could be owning right now instead of a weekender FD and a t2 that is still sitting in the garage.



honestly I've been considering selling off both for a while lol.



Anywho, you're gonna need a turbo for 300-350hp, n/a only gets to 300hp with ridiculous **** that somewhat ends its streetability.



as for a t2, getting it to 300-ish hp isnt too tough, and at 300-350hp the car is quite a sleeper. I loved my t2 when it was still in that power range. once you have a 500hp car you realize its more fun to have less power, most of the time.



kevin.

FC_BOY 04-29-2008 03:26 PM

i had an s5 n/a (blew the motor after hitting a tree) and i did a turbo conversion and i am pretty happy with it. bought a JDM front clip costed me about $2700 but it came everything i needed but the diff and shalves.

13-b 05-04-2008 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by FC_BOY' post='899571' date='Apr 29 2008, 04:26 PM
i had an s5 n/a (blew the motor after hitting a tree) and i did a turbo conversion and i am pretty happy with it. bought a JDM front clip costed me about $2700 but it came everything i needed but the diff and shalves.



dats sick man. sry about the loss though. i guess it resulted in sumthin better tho!!

13-b 05-04-2008 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by teknics' post='899497' date='Apr 28 2008, 06:16 PM
dont idolize me, hell dont even be like me. its not fun once it all catches up with you. I never charged anytyhing, never even had a credit card, and still dont, but now all i do is think about the nice house or something else I could be owning right now instead of a weekender FD and a t2 that is still sitting in the garage.



honestly I've been considering selling off both for a while lol.



Anywho, you're gonna need a turbo for 300-350hp, n/a only gets to 300hp with ridiculous **** that somewhat ends its streetability.



as for a t2, getting it to 300-ish hp isnt too tough, and at 300-350hp the car is quite a sleeper. I loved my t2 when it was still in that power range. once you have a 500hp car you realize its more fun to have less power, most of the time.



kevin.



yeah i dont wanna push that much pwoer. not unless i have a house of my own and money to buy 3 of them ahhaa.



but for now i wanna get a t2 motor and drop it into the n/a. upgrade the turbo(gt2871r or the 76r) get safc, intercooler, bigger injectors, etc. hopefully i can get good numbers.



greddy makes a turbo kit for the fc, is it worth the money for the kit?


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