93 octaine in n/a
06-12-2006, 09:09 AM
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Well I'm going to the drag strip tomorrow and I am wondering if I add 93 octain gas in my n/a will it make a difference? I know that I will have to advance my timming to get the benefit. Does it help any? Also how much will I have to advance my timming? Thanks.
06-12-2006, 10:02 AM
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It'll drain your wallet quicker, that's about it.
I may be wrong though. I'm just pretty sure that the higher octane is for higher compression, what with the higher flash point and lower volatility (is that a word?). Or something like that.
I may be wrong though. I'm just pretty sure that the higher octane is for higher compression, what with the higher flash point and lower volatility (is that a word?). Or something like that.
06-12-2006, 11:53 AM
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but i was told that if you adjust your timming one way that it compensates for the higher octain. Just like people do when they run race gas. They have to adjust their timming to get the full use out of the fuel.
06-12-2006, 12:10 PM
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as i understand it, running a higher octane prevents pre-detonation, and lets you run a higher compression ratio (b/c the fuel is more resistant to diesel-ing or igniting off of a hot-spot). Its the higher compression ratio thats now possible that will give you the extra power, and require the change in timing. The s4 has a relatively low N/A compression ratio, unless you run s5 or RX-8 rotors (or do something else to raise Rc), you wont get anything out of higher octane besides a lighter wallet.
06-13-2006, 02:56 AM
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I can't say with certainty, but on a wankel, wouldn't dieseling be a non-issue, since we technically speaking have separate intake, cumbustion, and exhaust chambers, unlike any other gas motor.
This is why Mazda has been able to so easily make those new hydrogen RENESIS motors. Unlike BMW or Mecedes, who had to do alot of work to prevent "dieseling" in a hydrogen setup.
This is why Mazda has been able to so easily make those new hydrogen RENESIS motors. Unlike BMW or Mecedes, who had to do alot of work to prevent "dieseling" in a hydrogen setup.
06-13-2006, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Keegan' post='823865' date='Jun 13 2006, 12:56 AM
I can't say with certainty, but on a wankel, wouldn't dieseling be a non-issue, since we technically speaking have separate intake, cumbustion, and exhaust chambers, unlike any other gas motor.
This is why Mazda has been able to so easily make those new hydrogen RENESIS motors. Unlike BMW or Mecedes, who had to do alot of work to prevent "dieseling" in a hydrogen setup.
yep, combustion takes place in a different location....
06-13-2006, 11:37 AM
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dieseling is when the temperature and pressure of the mix of gas and air is enough to ignite it without a spark, like the combustion-ignition that occurs in a diesel engine. The only place this could occur is during the compression stroke before spark, because thats when the gas is rapidly getting compressed and shoved into the hottest part of the housing. It doesnt have to do with where the intake is.
The problem with the hydrogen was that, in a piston engine, during the intake cycle the hydrogen would heat up too much, too rapidly, because it was in the same chamber that just experienced combustion. Since the rotary does have the intake cycle in a different location than combustion, this wasnt as much of a problem, but this AFAIK isnt dieseling.
The problem with the hydrogen was that, in a piston engine, during the intake cycle the hydrogen would heat up too much, too rapidly, because it was in the same chamber that just experienced combustion. Since the rotary does have the intake cycle in a different location than combustion, this wasnt as much of a problem, but this AFAIK isnt dieseling.