19pis On Stock Engine/ic/injectors?
09-02-2003, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Rotaryman88' date='Sep 2 2003, 01:35 AM
[quote name='adamlewis' date='Sep 1 2003, 10:08 PM'] Please 
This car has been saved already.
The only thing different about the way you and I work on our cars is that I actually push it to see what it can do instead of just taking someone elses word without any real proof...
The only thing different about the way you and I work on our cars is that I actually push it to see what it can do instead of just taking someone elses word without any real proof...
Oh, and this is my first rx7, first turbo car, first attempt at tuning, MWAHAHAHAAAA.
***! lol....and I hope u caught the sarcasm in my post. [/quote]
I didnt really...but whatever.
Im just curious on where all you all get your "facts". Are they just things you hear other people say and youre quoting it as truth? Or have you actually seen data ( compressor maps... ) or experienced yourself?
Ive just come to realization that a few of the "facts" that I used to always hear, dont seem to be too factual anymore...
09-02-2003, 01:48 AM
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All bitching aside...
I don't repeat what others say. I consider myself very skilled with rx7s. I began workin on them at the age of 7, before I really even knew what the hell the car was. Granted at 7 years old i just handed my dad his tools as he tweaked his '83, but nonetheless I grew from there. I have since modified over 11 FC rx7s nonturbos to run under 13s, and have built 4 under 12s TurboFCs. My current vehicle is an '88 SE converted to a Jspec GTX w/ new SP motor, etc.
I have over 12years of rotary experience, and I like to think of at least 8 of them as being "good years"(aka..not helping my dad). I have come across a lot of guys who have built FCs, FDs, etc running some boost and talkin ****..some know their stuff, some dont, but what i never hear is one of them questioning my help or opinions. Either take the advice, or dont. Its not my car your working on.
I don't repeat what others say. I consider myself very skilled with rx7s. I began workin on them at the age of 7, before I really even knew what the hell the car was. Granted at 7 years old i just handed my dad his tools as he tweaked his '83, but nonetheless I grew from there. I have since modified over 11 FC rx7s nonturbos to run under 13s, and have built 4 under 12s TurboFCs. My current vehicle is an '88 SE converted to a Jspec GTX w/ new SP motor, etc.
I have over 12years of rotary experience, and I like to think of at least 8 of them as being "good years"(aka..not helping my dad). I have come across a lot of guys who have built FCs, FDs, etc running some boost and talkin ****..some know their stuff, some dont, but what i never hear is one of them questioning my help or opinions. Either take the advice, or dont. Its not my car your working on.
09-02-2003, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Rotaryman88' date='Sep 2 2003, 01:48 AM
All bitching aside...
I don't repeat what others say. I consider myself very skilled with rx7s. I began workin on them at the age of 7, before I really even knew what the hell the car was. Granted at 7 years old i just handed my dad his tools as he tweaked his '83, but nonetheless I grew from there. I have since modified over 11 FC rx7s nonturbos to run under 13s, and have built 4 under 12s TurboFCs. My current vehicle is an '88 SE converted to a Jspec GTX w/ new SP motor, etc.
I have over 12years of rotary experience, and I like to think of at least 8 of them as being "good years"(aka..not helping my dad). I have come across a lot of guys who have built FCs, FDs, etc running some boost and talkin ****..some know their stuff, some dont, but what i never hear is one of them questioning my help or opinions. Either take the advice, or dont. Its not my car your working on.
I don't repeat what others say. I consider myself very skilled with rx7s. I began workin on them at the age of 7, before I really even knew what the hell the car was. Granted at 7 years old i just handed my dad his tools as he tweaked his '83, but nonetheless I grew from there. I have since modified over 11 FC rx7s nonturbos to run under 13s, and have built 4 under 12s TurboFCs. My current vehicle is an '88 SE converted to a Jspec GTX w/ new SP motor, etc.
I have over 12years of rotary experience, and I like to think of at least 8 of them as being "good years"(aka..not helping my dad). I have come across a lot of guys who have built FCs, FDs, etc running some boost and talkin ****..some know their stuff, some dont, but what i never hear is one of them questioning my help or opinions. Either take the advice, or dont. Its not my car your working on.
Questioning things allows you to better understand things and affords you the opprotunity to learn more on a subject.
I didnt ask for youre whole life history, and just because you can make a car go fast doesnt mean you really know whats going on with it. All I wanted to know is where you all get your data for statements such as the inefficiency of the stock turbo above X psi, or the inability of 4x 550cc injecotors and a fuel pump to support more than X psi.
09-02-2003, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by adamlewis' date='Sep 1 2003, 11:08 PM
[quote name='Rotaryman88' date='Sep 2 2003, 01:48 AM'] All bitching aside...
I don't repeat what others say. I consider myself very skilled with rx7s. I began workin on them at the age of 7, before I really even knew what the hell the car was. Granted at 7 years old i just handed my dad his tools as he tweaked his '83, but nonetheless I grew from there. I have since modified over 11 FC rx7s nonturbos to run under 13s, and have built 4 under 12s TurboFCs. My current vehicle is an '88 SE converted to a Jspec GTX w/ new SP motor, etc.
I have over 12years of rotary experience, and I like to think of at least 8 of them as being "good years"(aka..not helping my dad). I have come across a lot of guys who have built FCs, FDs, etc running some boost and talkin ****..some know their stuff, some dont, but what i never hear is one of them questioning my help or opinions. Either take the advice, or dont. Its not my car your working on.
I don't repeat what others say. I consider myself very skilled with rx7s. I began workin on them at the age of 7, before I really even knew what the hell the car was. Granted at 7 years old i just handed my dad his tools as he tweaked his '83, but nonetheless I grew from there. I have since modified over 11 FC rx7s nonturbos to run under 13s, and have built 4 under 12s TurboFCs. My current vehicle is an '88 SE converted to a Jspec GTX w/ new SP motor, etc.
I have over 12years of rotary experience, and I like to think of at least 8 of them as being "good years"(aka..not helping my dad). I have come across a lot of guys who have built FCs, FDs, etc running some boost and talkin ****..some know their stuff, some dont, but what i never hear is one of them questioning my help or opinions. Either take the advice, or dont. Its not my car your working on.
Questioning things allows you to better understand things and affords you the opprotunity to learn more on a subject.
I didnt ask for youre whole life history, and just because you can make a car go fast doesnt mean you really know whats going on with it. All I wanted to know is where you all get your data for statements such as the inefficiency of the stock turbo above X psi, or the inability of 4x 550cc injecotors and a fuel pump to support more than X psi. [/quote]
First of all I am NOT a TII guy but here goes.
I hope you saw the irony in your quoted statement.
People tell you not to go to 15+ PSI on stock stuff because others on these forums have BLOWN their turbo's and engines before you and that is EVIDENCE and PROOF of the stock system's limitations. You apparently don't want to hear that. Go ahead and run 35PSI on the stock turbo who cares it IS afterall your money. You have already been told that there are NO graphs for the stock turbo since its not "off the shelf" like others(aftermarket turbos). You have been told how to make your own turbo graph. stop bitching at other wiser people than you they are trying to keep you from hurting your car.
You told Rotaryman88 that just because he knows how to make a car go fast doesn't mean he know about the cars internal working and what is really going on. Well what do you know? All you did was **** up and tighten your MBC too much. You don't know anything as to what is really happening either. You didn't know anything when you ran 19PSI all you did was a VERy crude test that consisted of two results.
a. Engine is ok and nothing happened
b. Engine go boom
You aren't doing things scientifically.
Go to the dyno and check your AFR's you will see That you are not running in a safe way. What you "FEEL" has nothing to do with the REAL numbers comming from a dyno with different PSI runs.
If I get in my car my N/A!! it feels great but that doesn't mean I have 300HP it just means my *** is in the seat and nothing more. Your mind tells you things its not a scientific way of measuring anything. Brains are not car tuning equipment dynos are so get out there and come back to the real world.
09-02-2003, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 1987rx7guy' date='Sep 2 2003, 12:18 PM
[quote name='adamlewis' date='Sep 1 2003, 11:08 PM'] [quote name='Rotaryman88' date='Sep 2 2003, 01:48 AM'] All bitching aside...
I don't repeat what others say. I consider myself very skilled with rx7s. I began workin on them at the age of 7, before I really even knew what the hell the car was. Granted at 7 years old i just handed my dad his tools as he tweaked his '83, but nonetheless I grew from there. I have since modified over 11 FC rx7s nonturbos to run under 13s, and have built 4 under 12s TurboFCs. My current vehicle is an '88 SE converted to a Jspec GTX w/ new SP motor, etc.
I have over 12years of rotary experience, and I like to think of at least 8 of them as being "good years"(aka..not helping my dad). I have come across a lot of guys who have built FCs, FDs, etc running some boost and talkin ****..some know their stuff, some dont, but what i never hear is one of them questioning my help or opinions. Either take the advice, or dont. Its not my car your working on.
I don't repeat what others say. I consider myself very skilled with rx7s. I began workin on them at the age of 7, before I really even knew what the hell the car was. Granted at 7 years old i just handed my dad his tools as he tweaked his '83, but nonetheless I grew from there. I have since modified over 11 FC rx7s nonturbos to run under 13s, and have built 4 under 12s TurboFCs. My current vehicle is an '88 SE converted to a Jspec GTX w/ new SP motor, etc.
I have over 12years of rotary experience, and I like to think of at least 8 of them as being "good years"(aka..not helping my dad). I have come across a lot of guys who have built FCs, FDs, etc running some boost and talkin ****..some know their stuff, some dont, but what i never hear is one of them questioning my help or opinions. Either take the advice, or dont. Its not my car your working on.
Questioning things allows you to better understand things and affords you the opprotunity to learn more on a subject.
I didnt ask for youre whole life history, and just because you can make a car go fast doesnt mean you really know whats going on with it. All I wanted to know is where you all get your data for statements such as the inefficiency of the stock turbo above X psi, or the inability of 4x 550cc injecotors and a fuel pump to support more than X psi. [/quote]
First of all I am NOT a TII guy but here goes.
I hope you saw the irony in your quoted statement.
People tell you not to go to 15+ PSI on stock stuff because others on these forums have BLOWN their turbo's and engines before you and that is EVIDENCE and PROOF of the stock system's limitations. You apparently don't want to hear that. Go ahead and run 35PSI on the stock turbo who cares it IS afterall your money. You have already been told that there are NO graphs for the stock turbo since its not "off the shelf" like others(aftermarket turbos). You have been told how to make your own turbo graph. stop bitching at other wiser people than you they are trying to keep you from hurting your car.
You told Rotaryman88 that just because he knows how to make a car go fast doesn't mean he know about the cars internal working and what is really going on. Well what do you know? All you did was **** up and tighten your MBC too much. You don't know anything as to what is really happening either. You didn't know anything when you ran 19PSI all you did was a VERy crude test that consisted of two results.
a. Engine is ok and nothing happened
b. Engine go boom
You aren't doing things scientifically.
Go to the dyno and check your AFR's you will see That you are not running in a safe way. What you "FEEL" has nothing to do with the REAL numbers comming from a dyno with different PSI runs.
If I get in my car my N/A!! it feels great but that doesn't mean I have 300HP it just means my *** is in the seat and nothing more. Your mind tells you things its not a scientific way of measuring anything. Brains are not car tuning equipment dynos are so get out there and come back to the real world. [/quote]
GTFO. I never said I was doing things "scientifically". I admitted it was an accident. And I never claimed I knew everything about how these cars work.
All I asked for was some actual data instead of hearsay.
Its also not just what I feel. If you bothered to read, I was referencing my car against a good buddies car and a particular stretch of road.
09-02-2003, 12:46 PM
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Oh and if you already did it on your car why are you asking us about it? Then telling everyone they don't know anything? Don't come on here and ask for advice then talk crap about people experiences and oppinions.
The simple answer to your question is YES why? because you already did it. So don't ask what you have already done.
The simple answer to your question is YES why? because you already did it. So don't ask what you have already done.
09-02-2003, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by adamlewis' date='Sep 2 2003, 09:41 AM
All I asked for was some actual data instead of hearsay.
i can tell you my friend runs 14psi on a stock fc turbo in his fd, gd runs 14:1 afr on the dyno @400+rwhp. ive seen lots of combos that shouldnt work but that do
mike
