Hi.

Got my first 20b ride, her the other day, and I just got to say, that this, wow, is an realy realy cool engine. So the urge to put one in my car is BAD.

So checking out some thing, and hopy that you lucky bastards whom got one, can tell me some facts.

If I get me one of these engines, can I:

Rip out more or less the vacuum system,hoses and solenoids, put in a haltech ecu,and a big single turbo ? I have done some work on a 13b-re engine, and the vacuum systems etc gives me the creeps. Next engine , I want to simplefy my engine bay, alot.Would this be a problem with this engine ?

What about the tranny ? This engine revs quick.!!! hows this engine with an 5 speed tranny, are the stock 20b auto tranny any good ?

Is it a strong engine ? Or what are the thing that usaually break it?

[quote name='viking' date='Aug 4 2005, 05:50 AM']Hi.

Got my first 20b ride, her the other day, and I just got to say, that this, wow, is an realy realy cool engine. So the urge to put one in my car is BAD.

So checking out some thing, and hopy that you lucky bastards whom got one, can tell me some facts.

If I get me one of these engines, can I:

Rip out more or less the vacuum system,hoses and solenoids, put in a haltech ecu,and a big single turbo ? I have done some work on a 13b-re engine, and the vacuum systems etc gives me the creeps. Next engine , I want to simplefy my engine bay, alot.Would this be a problem with this engine ?

What about the tranny ? This engine revs quick.!!! hows this engine with an 5 speed tranny, are the stock 20b auto tranny any good ?

Is it a strong engine ? Or what are the thing that usaually break it?


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Search!

Hard to say, not alot of people can afford to do 20b swaps, so you won't find a load of information on what you want to know.



Call up one of the performance rotary shops and ask away, they like that type of ****.



But a 20b swap is no 10k swap. It's easily 20k+.

For everthing your going to need including the car you can do it yourself for around $15k. I would suggest starting out with a T2. It'll save you time and money in the end. If you go with a single setup you won't need the rats nest. Its mostly for the sequential twins. As far as the stock 20b tranny goes, I haven't heard anything good about it. Just use the s5 t2 tranny. All the bolts line up except one. Start off with a Motec m48 or m8. You'll be much happier.



-Destin

[quote name='sillbeer' date='Aug 5 2005, 04:20 PM']Start off with a Motec m48 or m8. You'll be much happier.


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And much poorer! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png





-Ted

http://fc3spro.com/

[quote name='RETed' date='Aug 6 2005, 12:53 AM']And much poorer! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

-Ted

http://fc3spro.com/


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Agreed. Yesterday I learned that their outrageous ecu prices do not include the harness. How much could that add? -$2,000 https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png



The options I am considering are:



-Autronic SM4

-Haltech E11v2

-Electromotive Tec3R

-AEM universal



The SM4 has a lot of promise, but no real track record (that I'm aware of at least), requires an external module to run 6 ign coils (not sure if that is something to be concerned about or not) and I've read that the software is still buggy.



The E11v2 is reasonably price, the software is very easy to navigate through, and has more than enough aux outputs to cover all the normal functions and then some. However, I had been told the timing control is not perfect for certain trigger setups (although the deviation is toward retard rather than advance), and it does not have traction control.



The Tec3r has a great ignition setup and a proven track record. The software is dated, and it doesn't have much in the way of extra functions.



The AEM has nearly as many features as the SM4, but a piss poor track record.

We can add MegaSquirt to the list of ECUs capable of running a 20B.

[quote name='sillbeer' date='Aug 5 2005, 04:20 PM']

For everthing your going to need including the car you can do it yourself for around $15k. I would suggest starting out with a T2. It'll save you time and money in the end.



Yeah. I know. I am more or less done with 13b- RE swap. So got some of the parts, but after feling the 20b engine, hey, want one.

The guy doing my swap plans on using a Wolf. I like the price and he likes the set up. Now if we can just figure out how to run those damn exhaust manifolds. Doing the single Blowzilla and keeping the stock location more or less has JR rubbing his head bald!!!

Microtech LTX 12

Electomotive Tec 1 w/wintec2 upgrade

Motec M4



I have used all 3 of these on 20b's, and I like the Motec the best so far except for the price. The Microtech would have to be second because of the price, but it is about even with the Tec as far as ease of use.



Because I am a cheap bastard that only really cares about what I need and not all the bells and whistles that I will never use, I would go with a microtech, because when it is all said and done it's only fuel and spark.

[quote name='IGY' date='Aug 18 2005, 08:08 PM']Microtech LTX 12

Electomotive Tec 1 w/wintec2 upgrade

Motec M4



I have used all 3 of these on 20b's, and I like the Motec the best so far except for the price. The Microtech would have to be second because of the price, but it is about even with the Tec as far as ease of use.



Because I am a cheap bastard that only really cares about what I need and not all the bells and whistles that I will never use, I would go with a microtech, because when it is all said and done it's only fuel and spark.


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from what i have seen microtech controls rotary timing very well........ https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

[quote name='vosko' date='Aug 18 2005, 08:15 PM']from what i have seen microtech controls rotary timing very well........ https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif


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yea they do!!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

I've heard Microtechs control timming pretty well. I also know of 2 people that have had fuel maps randomly dump for no apparent reason.



-Destin

[quote name='sillbeer' date='Sep 15 2005, 06:36 PM']I've heard Microtechs control timming pretty well. I also know of 2 people that have had fuel maps randomly dump for no apparent reason.



-Destin


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That's funny, because I have personally had the TEC do this to me twice. Every EMS has glitches and 90% of them are from user error.

I like Haltechs injector drivers burning out and the ecu overheating and shutting off....priceless!!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif

This is cool, talking about problems with diff EMS's.



Anybody love the Microtech's little quirk where when you scroll to 5000rpm's on the high load page of the map it jumps to the low load page? They may have fixed this problem by now since it's been a couple of years since I played with it. I know Dragon could tell you about all the damn cussing I was doing when it would happen.

i had an e6x that was bug free, but the early e11v2 i had was a stinker. car ran great except when the ecu would crash and go into boot mode, leaving you stuck.



funniest time was when we were driving it to the shop (paul was following me), and it went into boot mode, it says "ecu in boot mode contact your haltech dealer" i looked at paul and he just shrugged.



car ran much better when i pulled the ecu out from under the carpet and let it dangle in the air

The Motec M4 is only for N/A 20B's though... you'll need a M48 or M800 (i think) to run on a boosted 20B

Overheating, yes, but that's supposed to be fixed now.



Injector drivers burning out?

That's a new one to me.



BTW, where are you getting this info from?

A Microtech owner?





-Ted

http://fc3spro.com/

nah this is on haltech's with the injector drivers burning out. I was reading it all on Rx7club. I found a link but i've seen it alot more than once...



http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=44...jector+problems



neil

I blame 99.99% of the problem with faulty installs or NOT READING THE MANUAL.

The Haltech explicitly states to disconnect the fuel injectors and coils when changing settings - I bet most people don't do this.

Also, that thread was on an E6X - sorry, I have zero experience with them, and I'm jumping from the E6K straight to the E8 soon. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png





-Ted

http://fc3spro.com/

be glad you skipped the e6x, its ok, but its not as good as the k was. seems really sensitive to wiring issues too, which is not helped by the crappy harness they send you, you're really better off using a 15year old mazda harness, then the haltech one, as least for the cas.... thats my opnion though, paul and i had zero problems with the x, but we used a factory harness, everyone else has had big problems, and used the haltech harness.

I have install both e6k an e6x an i haven't had no Problem with them what so ever......

E6K IN MY FD

E6K IN MY FRIENDS FC

E6K IN MY FRIENDS BROTHER FC WITH FD MOTOR..

AN A E6X IN AN FC...I HAVE YET TO ENCOUNTER A PROBLEM WITH GLITCHES WITH HALTECH......

ALL STREET DRIVEN CARS....ITS BEEN IN CARS FOR 3 TO 4 YEARS...NOW..

E6X ONLY BEEN IN FOR 6 MONTHS...

I NEVER TRIED ANY OTHER ECU...SO CAN COMPARE THE DIFFERENCE ....

BUT FOR AS FAR AS I CAN SAY ABOUT HALTECH NO PROBLEM WHAT SO EVER....

Hmmm.. makes me wonder abot E11v2.. I thought a lot of people liked E11v2 on 20Bs.. No???



I'm picking one up in next couple of weeks... Anything I need to know about?? I'm buying one used.

i'm about to try it again, car has run on the stock ecu, i just need a free weekend to go and plug the e11 in.

ive got this neat-o k2rd box that will let me plug the e11 right into the 20b harness

So, you have an 20B in your FD?? Sorry if this was covered before..

I would like to see this "neat-o K2rd box".



What is your take on E11?? I'm now debating about getting this or not?? My 20B project will take another year or two.. so, I'm now thinking I should just wait.. Unless I use the E11 with my 13b... which I'm not sure it could be used (I'm still a newb).

i had a 20b/e11 in my fc, and this project is an FC vert/20b, we wanted to keep the stock ecu, but its not cooperating.



you can use the e11 on a 2 rotor, they run really nice.