Anyone have good experiences with particular ECU? Excluding Microtech, I know they work, I just hate the ignition maps: Interpolating 2Dmaps look like a poo way to tune to me, I prefer a 3D table which I can enter values. Also, I prefer to have a split map or separate leading and trailing maps, as it makes better drivability I find
Threfore, I am looking at: M600 Motec - Expensive, but works well EMS Stinger - Inexpensive, but no split supported. Leading and trailing fire together. I emailed about 8860 and they dont support rotary on that ECU eben though it is the "Motorsport" one. Microtech LT12s - Will work but am not a fan of them. Haltech E11v2 - Have used them... not a big fan but might go that way yet. Have yet to check out Wolf3D, and a few others. Any suggestions? The car in question is a series1 RX7, all mounts and FD Gearbox are in, doing driveshaft at moment, then fuel system and ECU... then skids! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.gif running NA, A series block (number 666 lol) and will PP it when it goes pop. Not likely to turbo it due to being A series. Thanks. |
I'm using the Haltech E11 v2. It was recommended by Gotham Racing and it works really well. I didn't do the install on this but my understanding is it's not too difficult. Good support and maps are also available.
Had the Wolf 3D but don't go this route. Although the unit is very easy to use, zero (and I mean zero) support is available in the US. Most tuners don't work much with the Wolf either. My advice to you would be to find a good tuner for the car and go with whatever he recommends. That's pretty much what it comes down to. And I'd also have the car professionally tuned. Makes a world of difference. |
EFI / Stand-alone ECUs
There are a number of stand-alone ECU systems out there that can fire and control a 20B 3-rotor engine. Mazda went with an independent trailing split to decrease emissions. With that said and done, let us analyze out options. If you do use the stock ECU, at minimum you're required to use the stock Cosmo 20B coil packs, which are not very easy to find. On "front cuts", they should be intact, but most imported 20B's do not have them. The Cosmo 20B coil packs are normally mounted on the fender area, so they are not usually included with just the 20B long block. [Haltech E11 with all options - $2,000] Haltech E11 http://www.haltech.com Electromotive TEC3 6/12 http://www.directignition.com Microtech LTX12 http://www.microtechefi.com/ Wolf3D v4.0 http://www.wolfems.com.au/home Fuel map resolution: 32 RPM points RPM points adjustable default every 500RPM 16,000RPM maximum two numbers define fuel curve slope 16 RPM points RPM points adjustable every 125RPM 16,000RPM maximum Fuel injection resolution: 6.4µs or 0.0064ms 32ms maximum 1% 0.001ms finest resolution 0.003ms Fuel injection modes: Batch Full sequential Staged Full sequential Staged Full sequential Staged Ignition map resolution 32 RPM points RPM points adjustable default every 500RPM 16,000RPM maximum 8 x 8 to 16 x 16 16 RPM points RPM points adjustable every 125RPM 16,000RPM maximum Ignition timing resolution: 0.1° 60° maximum advance 1° 0.35° Ignition input timing accuracy: 1/8° Ignition input types: Stock Mazda CAS others possible Motronic 60-1 required Stock Mazda CAS Ignition output timing accuracy: ±0.1° 0.25° Load sensing: MAP TPS MAP + TPS MAP MAP + TPS MAP TPS MAP sensor options: 1bar GM remote, up to 0psi 2bar GM remote sensor, up to 15psi 3bar GM remote sensor, up to 30psi Higher boost sensors available 1bar GM remote, up to 0psi 2bar GM remote sensor, up to 15psi 3bar GM remote sensor, up to 30psi Internal sensor, up to 23psi External remote sensor configurable Rev limiter: main: aux: Fuel or ignition cut, selectable Primary: 1,000RPM to 20,000RPM Aux: 1,000RPM to 20,000RPM Fuel map compensation: Cold Start Prime - 32 points Coolant temp - 32 points Air temp - 32 points Battery voltage - 32 points Closed throttle - 32 points, selectable Full Throttle - 32 points, selectable Individual fuel injector trim Starting/cranking enrichment Accel pump enrichment Battery voltage Individual rotor trim Ignition map compensation: Cranking - 32 points Coolant temp - 32 points Ait temp - 32 points Coolant temp Air temp Fuel injection drivers: 8 discrete 4A/1A max per channel additional from extra ouput channels possible 6 discrete 4.4A/1.1A max per channel 6 discrete Ignition drivers: 6 discrete 6 discrete 9A max per channel 6 6 discrete Extra outputs: Up to 9 PWM or logic (ON/OFF) capability 4 general purpose outputs low-current pull-to-ground Channels 1 & 2 have PWM capability All have logic (ON/OFF) capability 2 auxiliary outputs 1amp maximum pull-to-ground PWM outputs 4 discrete See above - Channels 1 & 2 Idle air control outputs: 4 dedicated for 4-wire stepper motors 4 dedicated for 4-wire stepper motors Miscellaneous outputs: 1 spare output logic (ON/OFF) capability only Extra inputs: 2 auxiliary inputs 4 general purpose inputs 0-5VDC analog 2 auxiliary outputs Configurable to 2 auxiliary inputs Knock sensor: No Yes O2 closed-loop control: Yes Yes Yes Decel fuel cut-off: Yes Yes On-board Datalogging: 448KB memory selectable 1Hz, 10Hz, 200Hz 1MB memory adjustable 5Hz - 100Hz Datalogging to disk: Limited to disk space Limited to disk space Communcations: Laptop Laptop Laptop Hand controller Miscellaneous: ECU diagnostics LED ECU cooling fan ECU diagnostics LEDs |
FYI - if you need coil packs, I have six GM LS1 coils available. They are an upgrade to the stock 20B coils and provide more spark. PM if interested.
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If you do decide to go Haltech or have any questions concerning the Haltech drop me a note.
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Originally Posted by C. Ludwig' post='886159' date='Oct 23 2007, 03:57 PM
If you do decide to go Haltech or have any questions concerning the Haltech drop me a note.
Do you know anyone near the Davis/ Sacramento, CA area? Thanks |
We are running the Electromotive TEC3 6/12 in our shop's peripheral port 20B 3-rotor FC and have had nothing but success with it. We run 6 LS1 coils for ignition (split ignition works, BTW), 3 primary and 3 secondary gasoline fuel injectors, as well as 3 methanol fuel injectors. This is a pretty extreme application and the car runs perfect with this engine management system and the tune we've given it. We recently installed a TEC 3R (fewer outputs) in a customers first gen after swapping in a 20B, and it runs like a factory car, except with twice the power. The Electromotive units can control the most wild setups, or the most tame setups. Take a look at their systems! www.getfuelinjected.com
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