Lets say I've got a T2 engine and tranny, etc, in my FB and I want to add a boost guage, fuel pressure guage, water temp guage, oil temp guage and monster tach with shift light, and maybe oxygen sensor, do I use mechanical ones or electrical ones?? Or does it depend on the type of guage itself ? (as in an oxygen sensor has to be electrical cos mechanical ones don't exist).



Anyone fitted any of these types of guages?? (I'm looking at you directfreak https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub... )

:stickpoke:

TIA

:bigthumg:

I'll be running electrical on the 83.These cars came with electrical guages so I might as well add more.I'm going to mount a Volts and Air/Fuel guage in the A-pillar.I just need to install my 5" monster tach and shift light this weekend.Once I get the T2 project started I'll be running a shitload of electrical guages to make sure nothing blows up on it. :bigthumg: I still need to figure what parts of the main harness I need to keep off the T2 main harness that has the ECU connector on it.That harness is like 7 feet long in my basement. :rant:

So the 83 instrument cluster will hook up to the T2 engine and tranny and still give the correct readings? Or will they need to be recalibrated?

the 83 cluster will work fine. i like electrical guages except for the boost guage, then i like mechanical. with mechanical guages you have to plum oil or coolant into the car, and that doesnt exactly seem like fun



mike

the 83 cluster will work fine. i like electrical guages except for the boost guage, then i like mechanical. with mechanical guages you have to plum oil or coolant into the car, and that doesnt exactly seem like fun



mike [/quote]

Hey mike,How much of that main harness do I need?I have it all the way from the battery cables to the dash.I want to remove as much of it as I can for a easier install when I put it into a FB body.Theres also this metal box on the engine harnnes attached to the engine I never saw before is this a critical part of the ignition?The coils are run off the harness before the ECU?Do I just wire the coils to the stock first gen coil spots?I know they have built in ignitors.Damn chris32472 never updated that site on the wiring. :rant:



Luis

the 83 cluster will work fine. i like electrical guages except for the boost guage, then i like mechanical. with mechanical guages you have to plum oil or coolant into the car, and that doesnt exactly seem like fun



mike [/quote]

Hey mike,How much of the main harness do I keep?How do I wire it to a FB cluster?I know the guages are run off the oil pan sensors and the alternator is run off the stock wiring as well but what about the coils?I see the plugs for them on the harness but that harness is from the ECU to the dash to every other part of the car including the rear hatch and front horns.Damn chris32472 never updated his site so I am clueless on this main harness I have.Also theres this stupid metal box with a connection on it and is part of the engine harnees.IS it nesscessary?I never saw this thing before.The driveline is 88 T2.Thanks



~Luis

I have electrical gauges in mine, except the boost gauge. I put the boost and a/f meter on the A-pillar, the digital volt and water temp under the stereo. Still need to pick up oil pressure and fuel pressure gauges. Gotta decide exactly where to mount them.

I have all Electrical gauges except for the Boost Gauge. Some 1/4 mile tracks won't let you run if you have certain liquids inside the passenger compartment. You could avoid this by using Isolators, or Electrical Gauges.



As it was previously stated - you don't want hot oil or fuel in the Driver's compartment. They do leak every once in a while too.



This pic is from a Series II, and it might be a good layout for you.

Another View. (Note the larger Boost Gauge in the A/C vent)

My layout:



"A" Pillar:

Boost

Fuel Pressure



On Steering Column:

J & S Knock Sensor (Also Rich/Lean)

Shift Light



On Center Console:

Rich/Lean - Where factory Clock was



Under Stereo:

Oil Pressure

EGT - Exhaust Temp

Water Temp



In the Glove-box:

Wideband O2 Sensor

Will you use the stock gauges, or aftermarket?

The way I see it , is, use the dash gauges with the

original wiring harness and senders for the car. Nice

and stock. Add the Boost and A/F as necessary to

enhance the info you need when you drive. And DON'T

forget the Oil level I D 10 T light!



Then, under the hood, I am going to run a full

mechanical set for tuning purposes. Minus the boost

and tach.

my thoughts.... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png

Thats a pimp interior you have.That panel under the steering wheel gives a sleeper effect when it hangs like that. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

Hey mike,How much of the main harness do I keep?How do I wire it to a FB cluster?I know the guages are run off the oil pan sensors and the alternator is run off the stock wiring as well but what about the coils?I see the plugs for them on the harness but that harness is from the ECU to the dash to every other part of the car including the rear hatch and front horns.Damn chris32472 never updated his site so I am clueless on this main harness I have.Also theres this stupid metal box with a connection on it and is part of the engine harnees.IS it nesscessary?I never saw this thing before.The driveline is 88 T2.Thanks



~Luis [/quote]

the cool thing about the s4 is that the ecu doesnt freak about anything, so you can wire up the stuff you want and ignore the rest. all the guages function the same so you just need to find the sender wires and hook 'em up



mike

Sweet. You guys more than answered my questions, thanks. I've seen a couple of cars with the boost guage in the air duct now, seems like the thing to do. I'll most likely be running autometer guages, they seem to have a HUGE range and also seem good quality.

That is a pimp interior. I wanted to get a-pillar guage mounts, but I need right-hand drive ones and I haven't had any luck finding them here in Australia.

Check the JAPANESE sites, they're all RHD. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

Check this:

Japaneese "Hypertuning" site

I found this:

where did u get the "A" pillar pod thing from??

It's an Autometer 2nd Gen one. It fits almost perfect from the factory. 2 Minutes with a heat Gun, and it did fit perfectly.





Damn. Cold. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif



I wasn't finished with the wiring at the time of that pic.

Hey mike,How much of the main harness do I keep?How do I wire it to a FB cluster?I know the guages are run off the oil pan sensors and the alternator is run off the stock wiring as well but what about the coils?I see the plugs for them on the harness but that harness is from the ECU to the dash to every other part of the car including the rear hatch and front horns.Damn chris32472 never updated his site so I am clueless on this main harness I have.Also theres this stupid metal box with a connection on it and is part of the engine harnees.IS it nesscessary?I never saw this thing before.The driveline is 88 T2.Thanks



~Luis [/QUOTE]

the cool thing about the s4 is that the ecu doesnt freak about anything, so you can wire up the stuff you want and ignore the rest. all the guages function the same so you just need to find the sender wires and hook 'em up



mike [/quote]

I stole this from chris' site.https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png Which do I use then to get this thing running when I get the car?Will I lose power from not having them all hooked up?



Look at the plug as it were pluged in the ECU.



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

| B/Y | BR/Y| BR/R| W | L/B | L/R | B/R | B/L | G/B | L/O | BR/Y| Y/B |

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

| L/Y | G/Y | R | LG | L | G | Y/L | O | BR | L/W | Y | Y/R |

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Upper bank from left to right



B/Y - Hazard Heat swith

BR/Y - Trailing coil ignitor

BR/R - Port air solinoid valve

W - 1st Crank sensor,These 4 wires are (Big Gray wire sheilded) and grounded

L/B - Service light

L/R - Coil trailing

B/R - Shift light

B/L - Split air solinoid valve

G/B - Nutral switch

L/O - Fan relay

BR/Y - Air bypass

Y/B - Check conector



Lower bank



L/Y - Coil ignitor trailing

G/Y - Coil ignitor leading

R - 2nd Crank sensor

LG - Knock controll

L - 3rd Crank sensor

G - 4th Crank sensor

Y/L - Clutch switch

O - Check conector

BR - Water temp

L/W - Air con main relay

Y - Check conector

Y/R - Check conector



Could you PM me the info on these wires that I need to hook up and which ones I don't mike?



Thanks a million.Damn I wish that guy would atleast update the wiring part of his page. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/dry.png I need to figure out what can and can't be pulled off the main harness.Where does this harness tap into on the FB wiring?



Thanks

~Luis

One more thing......do I wire the coils to the FC's ECU setup or just wire them to the FBs wiring for the coils?



Thanks

~Luis







BTW: I know this must be annoying for you but I need this info so I can share it with others like drifter when his time comes. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

Thats good in theory, but I DONT SPEAK JAPANESE!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/happy.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

j/k, https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png

I'll start looking for some written in English. Thanks.





In theory, communism works. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/wacko.png

Alta-Vista -> then Translate (babelfish)

the fc engine harness will go right in and run the engine, it will interface with the fb under the dash. you will prolly have to run extra wires for the cas and coils from under the dash to the fb coil location



mike

the fc engine harness will go right in and run the engine, it will interface with the fb under the dash. you will prolly have to run extra wires for the cas and coils from under the dash to the fb coil location



mike [/quote]

I've been chatting with one guy about that and yeah it looks like that will be the case,I think his username is 85TIIDEVIL on here.I'm buying the T2 driveshaft he has for sale. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

I got the white inserts for the guage instrument cluster a couple of weeks back, so I'll probably go with some white guages to match. I'm thinking autometer?? They seem like a popular brand and I can get them from everywhere. Is there any other good brands for guages you know of?

i like my greddy's they are decent and easy to read



mike

I like the guages Veilside sells.Damn those are nice......and pricy. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png

What about defi guages, has anyone heard of them? They look pretty :bling bling: http://www.defi-shop.com/

Yup.Vosko just got some for his FD.They are really nice as well.I've seen some for sale on the parts trader.I also saw some HKS ones there too.I wonder how good the HKS ones are? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/dry.png

Might have to do some research. I wanna find out how much those defi ones are, they look awesome.

Does anyone know where to get a daul gauge Pod so it can be mounted on the driverside Pillar. I ordered one from Summit and it was not even close, another $30 bucks later and S&H handling both ways.

All I want is to have my Mechanical Oil and Oil Temp guages where I can see them and not mounted on the RB under filter adapter.

Another option is to remove the Clock on the console and the Oil Pressure Guage will fit perfectly. But that still leaves the Oil Temp Gauge.

Any Ideas.

84 GSL Dash.

steve

yeah the 84 is tough, how about in the ashtray?



mike

For the 84/85 - Try the Manntis Mount.



http://www.rotorhead.ca/products/stereomount3.jpg



at www.Rotorhead.ca



Also, the Second Gen "A" pillar pod fits perfect with the use of a heat gun and 5 minutes. That's how I have mine set up.

I need some defis

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/upl...1045882978.jpg



That's a 2nd Gen one there.

DirectFreak: All I will say is you interior is the pimp ****.God I can't wait till yours runs.That thing will kill.

Thanks For the Info;

Gonna check out the Rotorhead setup today.

Nothing better to do since I still have not recieved my Carb back from RB yet.

steve