I'm curious on the price and extra parts I would need to drop a turbo II motor and tranny into a 1st gen? I can get the car (minus engine and tranny) for less than $300. So what would the rest of the costs be?



Thanks!



EDIT: Also, which motor should I get? 87-89 or 89-91 turbo ii motor? The 89-91 has an electrical oil pressure sending unit compared to the mechanical sender and is also more expensive. I'm looking to put together a fast little turbo 1st gen to go with my fast little twin turbo 3rd gen. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

okay so I did some more reading... it looks like the 87-89 motor is my best bet. Also, I'll need the turbo II tranny to hold the HP. The car I am looking at getting comes w/ the motor, but no tranny so I will have the the front cover etc.



I'm not looking to push major horsepower yet, I just want a turboII swap which will later receive the mods to eventually reach ~300whp.



As for the wiring, it looks like I can use turboII wiring and ecu until I want to upgrade (later), correct?



Basically, this is my goal:



Get a turbo II motor into an FB, running and daily drivable at a relatively low cost. Save money for the big upgrades down the road.

the cost of doing a swap like this depends on how much you pay for everything, and since its mostly used it varies. plus the actual list of parts varies too.



mike

i'm in the middle of the swap right now, i've spent in excess of 4K. thats including the price of the car ($250), so cheap is a relative term. you could probably get it done for cheaper but it will take more time, i opted for a haltec fuel system to simplify wiring so thats where i spent a good amount. don't do a rush job getting everything in there either, you might overlook something really small and it'll bite you in the ass later on. build it right the first time and you won't have to build it again anytime soon.

Good advise.I wish I listened to that before. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png Now I have goodies and a dead car. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

Good advise.I wish I listened to that before. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png Now I have goodies and a dead car. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png [/quote]

i never really thought about it like that before

Good advise.I wish I listened to that before. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png Now I have goodies and a dead car. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png [/quote]

i never really thought about it like that before [/quote]

Neither did I.Now I have a motherload of money sitting in it.Oh well.Boost hard when I get the parts here. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

S4(87-88) is prolly easier.Make sure to get a S4 T2 Tranny.Its easier to mount in a FB

okay. So far it looks like:



87-88 turboII motor (used JSPEC motor)

Rebuild Kit a possibility (also, street porting templates from a friend if I crack her open)

modified front cover

Turbo II tranny and make a spacer for the mount

Turbo II ECU (for now) and FCD

Turbo II harnesses

Custom Driveshaft

custom exhaust

coils

mass airflow meter

surge tank

clutch, flywheel, etc



basically following TurboFB's guidance from his page ( http://www.geocities.com/chris32472/index.html ) as the start of the project. Eventually, I foresee upgrading to an microtech ecu, bigger turbo and injectors, better fuel pump, better intercooler, etc.

Okay, one more q. I keep reading that I should use a Haltech right off, instead of a turbo 2 ECU. now, I know this is better for tuning and all... but I assumed w/ the full harness and all, that the turbo 2 ecu should be almost just plug in and go? I'm sure there's something I'm overlooking or something that makes the haltech the 'easier' option...



Someone school me on that please?

the fc ecu isnt a plug and go, you need to run wires for the cas, and the coils, plus it doesnt plug in under the dash, you have to make a harness. installing the fc ecu would be about as hard as the haltech, plus its more limited



mike

I would say that I've probably got less than $3K in this swap.

I think the easiest and maybe even most cost effective way is to buy a T2 . I mean the whole car. That way you have almost everything you need to do it. I got mine for $1200.

Another thing to look at is who's doing the work. My friend owns a rotary shop, so I got quite a few deals. We made custom solid front engine mounts, so didn't have to worry about switching front covers.

If you're going through the process of doing this swap, you would really be foolish to not go ahead and street port the engine. Mine has rather large ports in it and it pulls ungodly hard. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif



Basically my set up is:

87 T2 "block" with large street port.

91 intakes and turbo

91 T2 tranny

Factory ECU and wiring (for now) https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/cool.png

3" custom downpipe and exhaust

custom driveshaft

Starion FMIC



Still got a few things to do.

Good luck to you guys.

ah, okay I can see how the stocker becomes a problem. I see how the e6k would be easier to use. Well, I'll add that to my list of "things I need to turbo an FB"



I haven't got the car yet, and probably won't til after winter (damn me and my no-garage...). :(



Oh well, it'll give more time for planning and finding the perfect car to swap into, and probably give me time to receive the turboII motor and get a large streetport on. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...

I woulden't bother porting it unless you have to take it apart for another reason. I have all stock ports on my 13B-RE and it pulls harder than it needs to (can spin them in 3rd gear). You are right though, toss the T2 ECU in the trash and get a aftermarket one, no need to run the stock ECU unless you have a 95% stock engine. If you are looking for more than 250hp you should really upgrade the stock turbo and manifold to something that will flow better. Your engine will be a lot happier with the less back pressure on it and you will be a lot happier passing all those people with the stock turbos https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

I'm running the stocker S4 T2 Fuel injection.I plan on piggybacking the injectors to a apexi AFC fuel controller to help the motor get enough fuel for the mods it has and will be getting.I'll see how far the S4 EFI goes.

What extra would you have to do if you used, say a T60-1 turbo instead of a stock s4 or s5 turbo?

get/make a exh manifold

get a wastegate if it's not internal like the T2 ones

make IC tubing and exhaust

There maybe another way to mount a turbo on our hybrids.I'm waiting for my T04 manifold for a FD to see if it'll fit my FB chassis.Worst comes to worst I'll sell it for what I paid for it.

There maybe another way to mount a turbo on our hybrids.I'm waiting for my T04 manifold for a FD to see if it'll fit my FB chassis.Worst comes to worst I'll sell it for what I paid for it. [/quote]

i think either an fc or fd manifold would fit. i'm under the impression that the 1st gen has the most room



mike

I'll let you guys know what I find out when my shiny new one makes it way up here.It got shipped out on wednesday.



Heres where I got my manifold from...



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...gory=33742&rd=1

Should work, but they are VERY thin. 304 stainless will crack.

Just FYI, try to refinforce it if possible.



The price is awesome though.

I know.I don't plan on going past 350whp https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png Nice avatar DF https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

I'm the pimp that spends too much on a 19 year old car.God I love FB's.can I get a hell yeah?

BAH, don't listen to Directfreak https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png That manifold looks to be welded pretty good. The welds look better than my manifold and mine is still 100% crack free after 1200 miles. If you brace it the chances are it will crack, not prevent cracking. SS likes to move around with temp changes. One thing that looks strange on it is the turbo flange side. A T04 flanged turbo may bolt up to it but the ports aren't matched right. You may find that what ever turbo you run will hit the lower intake manifold because the FC lower sticks out a little farther than the FD ones. Time will tell how it will pan out for ya.

I'm wondering if it will hit too.Oh well.I still need a HKS wastegate and T04B this winter then spring next year will be drag time. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png