I want to make sure I've got everything covered before I start buying stuff...



GSL-SE Front Cover (Racing Beat)

GSL-SE Oil Pan (Racing Beat)

GSL-SE Engine Mounts (this has been debated, I need to know if I can modify the crossmember of a non-SE or not)

Fuel Injectors (850cc primaries, 1600cc secondaries)

3 row radiator (who can I get this from?)

Oil Cooler (Racing Beat)

Fuel Pump (NipponDenso--how good is this company?)

Fuel Line Pick Up (Where can I get this?)

T2 Tranny (is The Parts Trader the best place to get one?)

Exhaust -- I'm assuming exhaust systems for FDs will bolt up, but I want to make sure.

Haltech E6K or maybe E6X...will E6K maps work for the E6X?



Also, if I ever (get the money) or have the desire to go single, where would I buy a manifold? Somebody in Japan has to make them...



Please let me know if there's something that I'm missing that's essential to this swap, Nopistons is basically my only source for info on this. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

First off you need the SE radiator and oil cooler.Don't need a aftermarket setup.A stock SE fuel pump will run it just make sure to Get the SE hard fuel line for it.Custom exhaust and drive shaft will be needed.A standalone system or Series 5 TII to run it.Custom manifold and turbo setup unless you really want to try to get the twins to run on it.FB shifter and housing so you can modify the T2 tranny to put the FB shifter in its stock location.Other than small **** like FC coils and what not you should be good to go.And a boost guage doesn't hurt. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

BTW there is other standalones.Theres Microtech,SDS,Motec haltech is just prefered amongst the rotor guys.

Custom drive shaft, wtf?



So you're telling me the stock twins aren't going to work?

Yes custom driveshaft.You need a way to use the T2 yoke for the tranny side and a FB yoke for the diff's side of the shaft.I still need to get mine done.

Yes the twins will work if you want to run them non-sequential

Where are you getting your driveshaft made?



Why can't I run the twins sequential?



Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.

If you wanna try getting all those solenoids and **** to work go for it but theres alot less vaccum lines and stuff involved in going non-seq.I'm going to a driveline shop here and explore my options.I have a SE and T2 shafts here.I might put the T2 yoke on the SE shaft to drive it for the summer tho.

Looks like Racer X has this one under control https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png



Dysfn- you can get a driveshaft made anywhere they do custom driveshafts and U-joints. I had a place do mine that normally does a lot of heavy equipment stuff. Look in your local phone book for a place like that.

This is getting more and more involved, but I still want to do it very badly.



Thanks a lot for the help.



Anything else I should know about?

Also, if I'm contacting a company online, what sort of specs/information should I give them? Besides the obvious...

I got my driveshaft made for 100 bux at a local shop..Used a T2 shaft with SE rear yoke..And if you want to save some $$ get an aftermarket oil cooler from summit and stainless lines,works great,cheap,and a bigger cooler..

Where did you get those parts from?

fd and cosmo exhaust parts are different, and you're putting into an fb so its gotta be custom. the easy route is to put an fc turbo onto the cosmo engine, the cosmo twins are small and they are a huge source of heat



mike

See this is starting to seem like more trouble than it's worth.



It almost seems like I could do the T2 swap and have enough money left over to get a nice turbo setup. Am I right?

If I were you I'd do a T2 engine instead of a Cosmo one.

Yeah I mean it'd be cool to have a Cosmo, but it does seem like too much work...I mean, I'll be happy with a TII swap. Now to do some more research on it.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif IF anyone know's the headaches its you.Wait till tommorow afternoon.I will snap a engine bay pic with the NA TB elbow and IC piping.Plus phone mazda and yell at them for not getting my parts here yet. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif

Well thanks for the help everybody, I think I'm going to do the T2 swap instead!

The cosmo isn't any harder than the T2, it's just the T2 makes more sence for you. Think of what you could spend the extra hundreds of dollars on. What is the going rate for a cosmo now adays? $1600-1800?? For the extra money you'd save you can get a LM-1 wide band meter, NPR I/C, and some other stuff you'll end up buying.

I think it was the allure of having that engine that drew me to it, really.



So you're saying there's really no advantage to me doing the T2 swap instead of the Cosmo swap? Isn't there a wider availability of parts for the T2 motor?

The internals on the cosmo are stronger but the T2 motors are easier to get parts for.I say either way in a first gen will haul.Setzep: See the FMIC pic yet????Its in my thread.I finally got it done.Even tho theres only 4.25" between the bottom and the floor of my garage.Just have to watch potholes and speedbumps. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

Dysfn- There are advantages because it's a newer engine with some upgraded parts Vs the T2 ones but for the extra 700 or so bucks you could buy a lot of other stuff. I'm not sure the T2 engine is easier to get parts for, I guess what kind of parts are you going to buy for it?? The only time you'll need to buy anything for the engine it's self is when it comes time to rebuild. Mike-P-28 just bought a rebuild kit for his cosmo (don't know why) and it's the same as a REW kit. So I guess you'll have to pay a bit more for the kit but they are just as available as a T2 one. I got the cosmo over the T2 for two reasons: 1, because I got a deal on it. 2. because of the bad ass intake manifold https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png I guess if you feel you really want the cosmo over the T2 and you have some extra cash burning a hole in the pocket then go ahead and get it https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



Racer X- going now to take a look at your I/C https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

After thinking about it for a second I guess the T2 engines are easier to get parts for. I forgot about the center and end plates. They are more available then the cosmo ones. You may be able to find cosmo plates but I'm sure they will cost you more then T2 ones.

If I got the Cosmo it just seems like I'd have to do a lot more work...exhaust, removing the turbo system, stuff like that.



With the T2, this stuff would be easier...plus with the extra money I can buy a nice turbo.



Will I still need a custom driveshaft for the T2 swap?

You'd have to remove the exhuast from either engine, same amount of work. If you're complaining about removing a turbo and manifold maybe you're not up to the task of doing a full turbo upgrade to a FB yet.

With either engine you'll be using the T2 trans so yes you'll need a custom driveshaft.

BUT if you just kept the stock turbo(s) on there you may get away with using a stock n/a FB trans.

Nah it's not that I don't think I couldn't do it, it's just more work for what seems like a minimal gain, you know?

its a big gain, the cosmo turbos are complex and add a ton of heat into the oil, plus any dp/exhaust has to be custom for it. with an fc turbo you cna at least buy an rb downpipe and it will bolt to the turbo.



mike

It's no more work removing a set of cosmo turbos than it is removing a T2 turbo. Maybe I'm not understanding your reasoning??

I just get the feeling that for the extra money I would have to spend on the Cosmo motor, it's just more work for a minimal gain. I mean obviously no one promotes using the stock turbos, so that would require me to get a new turbo and all of the parts associated with it, which, as previously stated, aren't easily available.



With the T2, parts are readily available and with the money I'd save buying the T2 instead of the Cosmo motor, I would be able to comfortably afford buying a new turbo or possibly getting the motor ported.



Does that make any sense?

any turbo that will fit a t2 will fit a cosmo



mike

Yeah but how easy is it to find a manifold for a Cosmo?

the t2 one or an fd one will work



mike

Hmmmmmm...So you're saying I should go Cosmo.

its cooler..... it will be a little more work and a little more money, but its a lot cooler



mike

That's true, it would be a lot cooler. Hmmm...



Whatever swap I end up doing, I'm going to make a website because it seems like no one has assembled a coherent, step-by-step process for an engine swap into an FB. I could be wrong, but I haven't found one yet.

Did you see this site??



http://www.geocities.com/chris32472/index.html

I mean it has pictures, but I don't think I could use that website as a step-by-step installation guide, you know what I mean?

I think Mike summed it up well. Anything that will fit on a T2 will fit on a cosmo, they are both 13b's. It's just cost,port shape and intake manifold that sets them apart.



Good luck putting together a step by step page together. There is endless ways to do this swap. Mounting the engine in the car is about the only thing that gets done the same.

So are you saying it's a lost cause to try and put together my own?



I wasn't aware I could use parts for the 13b-REW on the Cosmo, but that simplifies a lot of it.



So right now I'm leaning towards the Cosmo, I just hope I can solidify all of this soon. During my winter break for college I hope to have the car and engine, if possible, so I can start working on it.