1st gen steering upgrade
07-13-2007, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by woundup7' post='877794' date='Jul 12 2007, 06:26 PM
If they ever break I will be sure to post it up, so every one knows, I am pretty comfindent they wont anytime soon.
At least not until we upgrade that small little turbo of yours.
07-13-2007, 12:45 PM
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There is nothing I can say without repeating myself. I'm not trying to take from anyones sunshine. Just about everything I've said is from hands on. I was just kicking a little knowledge so If you don't want it dont take it. I'm sure the axles would be made from a better material but the design is flawed. It has the same weak point right after the splines. I wonder if the engineer agrees or not? 
Someone else mentioned "parasitic" Like I said before you should just put enough to make the car run (reliable, safe). example..don't put a 9inch when a 10bolt can do the job perfectly. Why? to much parasitc draw. Come on, everyone should know this
stop oocupation dropping its very tacky..If I said I was Mr.dupont would you care or even believe me? Simpley saying we all have common sense and different experiences so If the kid down the road who works at mcdonalds sounds like what hes saying has meritt I'll listen to what he has to say and if Felix wankel sounded like he's full of it, well he would be full of it and that would just be my opinion. (its just an example)
Which leads me back to the begenning...Anybody with a cp bracket intrested in selling or anybody who worked for cp on here? Or is there someone here thinking of producing this bracket again? If not well its off to the subframe
stop oocupation dropping its very tacky..If I said I was Mr.dupont would you care or even believe me? Simpley saying we all have common sense and different experiences so If the kid down the road who works at mcdonalds sounds like what hes saying has meritt I'll listen to what he has to say and if Felix wankel sounded like he's full of it, well he would be full of it and that would just be my opinion. (its just an example)
Which leads me back to the begenning...Anybody with a cp bracket intrested in selling or anybody who worked for cp on here? Or is there someone here thinking of producing this bracket again? If not well its off to the subframe
07-13-2007, 03:44 PM
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07-13-2007, 04:19 PM
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Billy,
Have you tested the limits of these axles yet? I know they are pretty new on the market but I am curious as to how far someone has pushed your product.
I am also curious about a different diff. I was under the impression that only 2nd and 3rd gen kaaz diffs were available. Am I mistaken? I have heard of many other diffs being swapped(miata, hyundai etc) but most of them are not any more robust than the stock unit. It would be nice to have both parts of the rear-end upgraded. This way there is not a weak-point in the system.
gls-rew- I am in no way touting my degree. I bet you most of the people on the board did not even know I had it. I acknowledge there are some pretty ingenious/intelligent people without degrees. And personally could care less is someone did or did not have one. It does not make their point any less valid. A degree is just a little bit of knowledge and a piece of paper. Now let's get back on topic.
Thanks
Have you tested the limits of these axles yet? I know they are pretty new on the market but I am curious as to how far someone has pushed your product.
I am also curious about a different diff. I was under the impression that only 2nd and 3rd gen kaaz diffs were available. Am I mistaken? I have heard of many other diffs being swapped(miata, hyundai etc) but most of them are not any more robust than the stock unit. It would be nice to have both parts of the rear-end upgraded. This way there is not a weak-point in the system.
gls-rew- I am in no way touting my degree. I bet you most of the people on the board did not even know I had it. I acknowledge there are some pretty ingenious/intelligent people without degrees. And personally could care less is someone did or did not have one. It does not make their point any less valid. A degree is just a little bit of knowledge and a piece of paper. Now let's get back on topic.
Thanks
07-13-2007, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by z-beater' post='877881' date='Jul 13 2007, 02:19 PM
Billy,
Have you tested the limits of these axles yet? I know they are pretty new on the market but I am curious as to how far someone has pushed your product.
Have you tested the limits of these axles yet? I know they are pretty new on the market but I am curious as to how far someone has pushed your product.
The axles have taken a good bit a abuse before they were made public as well as since then.
We did not opt for the destructive testing available by Moser while under development. The cost of the testing, plus new mazda samples, plus new moser axles was enormous. The only benefit we saw to the testing was to be able to market them as "XX" amount stronger than stock. We did not see this benefit to out way the cost that would need to be passed on to the customer.
We opted to market them as "stronger than stock" without an absolute number. The fact that a percentage of stronger than stock number would be useless to 99.9% of the potential purchasers made the choice simple.
One only needs to look at the design of the axle and understand the years of metallurgy behind Moser to agree they are "stronger than stock".
The possibility of something else along the chain now being a weak spot is true. It is hard to say though. I spoke to one gentleman with a 1000+ HP 3 rotor in his first gen and he keeps eating ring gears but not axles. Talked to another guy with half that HP that has broken axles. There are to many variables to know 100% what needs to be upgraded.
I am from the old school of don't fix it until its broken. At least ReSpeed has axles for when you do
-billy
07-13-2007, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bwaits' post='877889' date='Jul 13 2007, 03:34 PM
The axles have taken a good bit a abuse before they were made public as well as since then.
We did not opt for the destructive testing available by Moser while under development. The cost of the testing, plus new mazda samples, plus new moser axles was enormous. The only benefit we saw to the testing was to be able to market them as "XX" amount stronger than stock. We did not see this benefit to out way the cost that would need to be passed on to the customer.
We opted to market them as "stronger than stock" without an absolute number. The fact that a percentage of stronger than stock number would be useless to 99.9% of the potential purchasers made the choice simple. Our first goal with them was to be able to offer the five lug pattern. The strength is a bonus.
One only needs to look at the design of the axle and understand the years of metallurgy behind Moser to agree they are "stronger than stock".
The possibility of something else along the chain now being a weak spot is true. It is hard to say though. I spoke to one gentleman with a 1000+ HP 3 rotor in his first gen and he keeps eating ring gears but not axles. Talked to another guy with half that HP that has broken axles. There are to many variables to know 100% what needs to be upgraded.
I am from the old school of don't fix it until its broken. At least ReSpeed has axles for when you do
-billy
We did not opt for the destructive testing available by Moser while under development. The cost of the testing, plus new mazda samples, plus new moser axles was enormous. The only benefit we saw to the testing was to be able to market them as "XX" amount stronger than stock. We did not see this benefit to out way the cost that would need to be passed on to the customer.
We opted to market them as "stronger than stock" without an absolute number. The fact that a percentage of stronger than stock number would be useless to 99.9% of the potential purchasers made the choice simple. Our first goal with them was to be able to offer the five lug pattern. The strength is a bonus.
One only needs to look at the design of the axle and understand the years of metallurgy behind Moser to agree they are "stronger than stock".
The possibility of something else along the chain now being a weak spot is true. It is hard to say though. I spoke to one gentleman with a 1000+ HP 3 rotor in his first gen and he keeps eating ring gears but not axles. Talked to another guy with half that HP that has broken axles. There are to many variables to know 100% what needs to be upgraded.
I am from the old school of don't fix it until its broken. At least ReSpeed has axles for when you do
-billy